[NoMoreNicksLeft]

What is "suffer" in this context? Are you saying "pain", or are you positing some "meta-pain" that is worse?

Also, why is pain important to you? The pain of non-human things has zero moral weight. I know it's a popular spirituality that gives pain moral weight, but as far as I can tell some 20th century philosophy jerkoff invented it out of nothing and everyone accepts that "reducing pain" is important without even trying to rationalize it.

I haven't "accepted that I do not care enough", it's that no one can supply a good reason to care in the first place. To me, it seems as if the rest of you are all trying to replace the last religion you stopped believing in with another that's just as bizarrely stupid.

[jackbrookes]

Well, my point was made in reference to the original comment which said

> If consciousness is not well understood, how is AI on silicon allowed, or any computing machines at all

Which implies that we should care about some kind of suffering inflicted on conscious beings. My argument was that we don't care about AI suffering because we don't really care that much about suffering generally, because of what we chose to do to animals.