[jimmyvanhalen]

The average user doesn't care if their phone is "open" or not.

Having a walled garden is beneficial to 99% of the users.

"open" mobile devices (even though they really aren't that open) benefits some developers and users.

[icebraining]

I disagree; I think that perspective is shortsighted because it only looks at the direct benefits.

Think of how much users have been benefiting from new and innovative webapps, which are a result of the competition between browsers. Now imagine where we would be if Windows was a walled garden and didn't allow competing applications, like Apple does with iOS.

Openness breeds competition. Competition is always good for the user.

[jimmyvanhalen]

The app store is a walled garden. the web (Safari) is not.

You get the best of both worlds with iOS without the pain of fragmentation and virus/malware/spyware/etc.

[icebraining]

The browser is an extremely important part of the web. For now, Safari for iOS is up-to-date with the rest of the browsers, but what if it starts lagging behind? Either the users are stuck not being able to use fully certain websites, or the web gets stuck like it still is with IE.

I'm not saying walled gardens don't have advantages to the users - a garden with a good landscaper is probably better for the common user, no doubt. But to say that openness only benefits devs and a small number of users is shortsighted. It's a balancing act.

[jimmyvanhalen]

key phrase: "what if"

also: iOS is open enough for 99% of the smart phone users.

I don't hear my mom complaining "oh how I wish i can install a custom boot ROM on this iPhone".

[guard-of-terra]

How much are you going to bet on 99% users not wanting access to adult (or otherwise contriversial) content on their phone?

[jimmyvanhalen]

it's called a web browser.

[guard-of-terra]

So I guess you would bet? That's bold.

[huggyface]

The average user doesn't care if their phone is "open" or not.

This is like saying that the average user doesn't care about free markets or not. Sure, they might not directly state a preference, but they do most certainly care about the platform benefits of it.

[jimmyvanhalen]

Why does it matter what OS my toaster runs when all I want is a bagel?

[huggyface]

If the dominant toaster conglomerate decided to exclude bagels, you would care.

[jimmyvanhalen]

but they don't exclude bagels. ;)