[cbeach]

They've never used LIDAR. Tesla have always been all-in on a vision based system, with Elon stating that LIDAR is a "crutch," and a "fools errand"

> Andrej Karparthy, Senior Director of AI, took the stage and explained that the world is built for visual recognition. Lidar systems, he said, have a hard time deciphering between a plastic bag and a rubber tire. Large scale neural network training and visual recognition are necessary for Level 4 and Level 5 autonomy, he said.

> “In that sense, lidar is really a shortcut,” Karparthy said. “It sidesteps the fundamental problems, the important problem of visual recognition, that is necessary for autonomy. It gives a false sense of progress, and is ultimately a crutch. It does give, like, really fast demos!”

https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/22/anyone-relying-on-lidar-is...

[hprotagonist]

radar and ultrasonics were removed.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2022/10/31/former...

[infotogivenm]

Ah good point, radar/ultrasonics were what I was thinking of, not lidar. Looks like they’re still gone.