[ketzo]

> and the only reason Apple operates this way is to lock people into the ecosystem.

Honest question: is there anyone who doesn't already think that? Even at, like, a legislative level?

[Nextgrid]

Apple is pushing the whole security/privacy narrative and yet people are guzzling it even here, so I'd argue yes.

[smoldesu]

It's probably my favorite part of HN, at this point. The reaction from people the other day when Google/Apple admit to cooperating with FIVE-EYES was priceless.

[Nextgrid]

Expect another one of those once it gets revealed that marketing/analytics providers (whose spyware litters every single mainstream website & app) are also compromised by intelligence agencies.

[dwaite]

There are systems designed to be federated, like email, mastodon, matrix and SMS/RCS.

Signal, WhatsApp, Slack, and iMessage are examples of services which were designed to be run by one company as part of their product. They _might_ have certain SDKs to extend that service (like bots for slack, or app extensions in iMessage) - but generally they aren't excited to shoulder the additional cost and support headaches of third parties using their infrastructure or arbitrarily interacting with the official software clients.

I don't know exactly what you mean by "ecosystem" - I'd argue the first set form ecosystems, while the second set form products.