[prepend]

That’s cool you made this site.

But I don’t think Wordpress sucks at all. It’s great in that it’s open source, runs everywhere, is easy to use, and super extensible.

I still recommend it to people who want to blog and it works out well. It’s especially nice as it doesn’t lock you into a saas like wix or square space or lots of other $10+/month services.

Personally, I just like markdown and jekyll as it’s easy enough but git is a bit too much for normies while Wordpress works fine.

[reddalo]

WordPress sucks if you're writing a custom theme or plugin. Their codebase is old and it follows outdated standards (e.g.: they use array() instead of []... in 2023, really?).

But, if you're using WordPress to publish a simple website, I think the most recent versions are great. The new Guntenberg full site editor is easy to use and it lets you customize your entire website easily, without the need to rely on custom code or, even worse, custom page builders.

[prepend]

That sounds like a personal problem.

It’s not the sexiest, but it gets the job done. I’m chalking this kind of sentiment up to people who think PHP isn’t good enough. 1 million times to one, PHP is good enough and my imagined unique snowflake idea doesn’t really need anything special.

[reddalo]

I love PHP and I think it's one of the best languages. But I can't stand WordPress. It's written like we're still in the PHP 4 age.

[rchaud]

> It’s especially nice as it doesn’t lock you into a saas like wix or square space or lots of other $10+/month services

But people need hosting, and that's primarily the selling point of using a paid closed source WYSIWIG alternative.

WP gets a bad rap because people buy terrible shared hosting to keep it cheap. At some point they will also need to open up Cpanel or some domain management UI to fix something and UX-wise it's downhill from there.

[prepend]

It’s good to have options for hosting. There are thousands of Wordpress hosts.

There’s one wix host. You’re never getting your data out of them.

Also that means Wordpress is or can be near free. I’ve paid $30/year for a random cpanel host for decades (same price, woot!). I think I host multiple Wordpress sites for friends or old corworkers. I don’t charge them anything. I don’t even know how many I host. I don’t care. So it’s free to them.

Or if I wanted to host a standalone site, $3/month is cheap. And I can port to anywhere.

Also, Wordpress hosts for $10/month too.

[rob]

And if you want to be "modern" with WordPress, the roots.io (https://roots.io/) tools are great — Sage, Bedrock, etc.