[Kye]

It's not about features. It's about defaults. Google Reader was linked right there on the top bar of the world's largest search engine. No one could credibly claim RSS was dead or neglect/remove support for it in the next revision.

[marginalia_nu]

That doesn't really answer my question. You can put any link in the bookmarks bar of the browser and have it there in every window.

[Kye]

That won't make it the default for and visible to the entire world.

[marginalia_nu]

I don't understand why that matters? If 3 other people or a billion other people are using a RSS reading service, surely my own experience is the same.

[playingalong]

Not really. Demand on RSS might induce RSS supply. Or might have had.

[marginalia_nu]

RSS is still very much around though. Most websites that aren't silos offer them. In fact, big problem is that many websites offer too many RSS feeds, and websites that don't need them offer them; makes algorithmic curation much harder.

[glenstein]

More used to offer them than currently do. And the trend has been for sites that have RSS to remove it. So you're correct that RSS has not become extinct due to Google, it has merely contributed to lower adoption.

Google reader was the alpha and Omega of RSS feed reading, and it set a standard norm followed by the rest of the internet, and Google's decision to move on from RSS similarly was followed by much of the rest of the internet. If, in the heyday of Google Reader, you asked me what one thing could drive the stake through the heart of RSS, it would be Google making some choice to drive norms and standards of the web in a different direction.

[Euphorbium]

Google reader had social features, shares and comments.

[marginalia_nu]

Ah, now that actually makes sense!

[Kye]

You run a search engine and don't understand why defaults matter? Google pays billions to be the default. I don't understand what you don't understand. RSS was the default. Then it "died" (became non-default) and we got the Facebook feed and Twitter's toxic impression-pumping algorithms, and it's so much worse.

Journalists depended on Reader the way they came to depend on Twitter. They didn't move to another reader.

[marginalia_nu]

RSS feeds are still very much around regardless of Google's actions. I'm looking at it from a user's perspective, not the operator's perspective, at what service is being offered? My question was why google reader was good, not why it was popular.

As for my search engine, I genuinely don't track my users, so I really don't have the fainest how many users I have. 4 people or a million people use my search engine, and I make the same amount of money from it. If I want the search engine to do well, I have to use my own eyes to assess how well it performs.

[glenstein]

> My question was why google reader was good, not why it was popular.

Once you learn about Venn diagrams it's going to completely blow your mind. One easy first pass at making inferences as to best services is to use popularity as an imperfect first proxy. So if someone says that a service became a de facto standard used by all of the internet, it's one of the ways to helpfully frame the conversation about whether the service proved to be useful. Of course there will be exceptions, but it's one of those functional literacy things where everyone can understand the significance of why people would bring that up in the context of a conversation that ultimately was closing in on making assessments about the value of the user experience.

Google's RSS reader was simple, ad free, fast, had an elegant design, didn't attempt to push superfluous services or subscriptions, set a standard for accessible anywhere at a time when many popular RSS readers were used on the desktop, and, in contrast to most of the best services now around, was free. I would go so far as to say it was almost unimproveable because it had one job and it did it correctly and didn't try to do other things, which used to be one of the things Google did best.

And I feel like none of this information is new, hard to discover, controversial, but is instead part of the generally accepted canon of internet history. So it's a bizarre question to me, if I'm being honest.

Edit: regarding the prevalence of RSS adoption in the present day, it may be true that as a numeric total there are more sites using it, but that as a percentage it is down. The same way that a winning candidate for president from the 1940s will have fewer votes then a losing candidate from the present day. Numbers will grow over time just due to population growth. Or in the case of the internet, The growth in the number of sites. But to understand whether RSS enjoys the same status as a de facto standard it's necessary to look at more than just the numbers, but at the proportion of adoption today compared to the proportion as an existed in the past.

[thraxil]

RSS feeds are still around, but they're starting to disappear. Like, eg, Google removing RSS support from their developer blogs...

[zerojames]

Thank you for sharing this! I didn't have the opportunity to use Reader. I have always wondered what made it stand out.