[stillwithit]

Oh you’ve polled all the people and learned they really believe? Most just “follow orders” and I’m guessing if pressed would see no value to the hallucination. Anti-corporatism is everywhere; how many actually believe as you say? I doubt that many believe and it really just seems beneficial for you to patronize and “correct” others.

Accuracy relative to the dying and long dead’s ignorant political babble is a ridiculous stat to min/max to dial in correctness. Stay in the centrist lane!

Rather than have a forward facing conversation, you reach for history. There’s little point in continuing this conversation

[andrewflnr]

Following orders is close enough to believing as to make no practical difference. Emphasis on practical. Anti-corporatism is a) not the same as thinking their existence is meaningless (rather the opposite in fact) and b) irrelevant if they don't act on it.

And really, mostly only law enforcement needs to believe the "hallucination" for it to have real effects. You, know, those guys with guns who will hurt you if you don't do what they say?

I don't think our positions are actually that far apart. It's just that, as far as I can tell anyway, you're trying to make a stand on some point of terminology while I'm trying to be reductionist and understand the dynamics.