[refulgentis]

we can either "just" have ppl pay $15, a nice simple free market solution that doesn't limit anyone.

or we can run a daily lottery and create a port of call just outside NYC for people to wait until they win the daily lottery. and administer the daily lottery. and somehow communicate daily to the winners. and really set a hard cap on entrants.

"just" does seem to apply to one of those options to me, but not the second

[Ekaros]

Because 15 is clearly unfair price for the poor people. This only benefit the rich who already are cause for majority of emissions. Lottery is absolutely fair for everyone.

OCR at borders would be easy to implement. Just have a gate and diversion lines back to where car entering came from. And simple online sing-up system and rng run every night is extremely simple software project.

Or if car without daily lottery tickets enters without permission, just make it so that it is permanently forfeit and destroyed. Thus removing it's future emissions.

[refulgentis]

Is this set of people greater than 0?

A) can't afford $15

B) have a car

C) need the car in Manhattan

D) can afford to wait N days to enter Manhattan

I grew up poor -- thank you FAANG, am not anymore -- but sometimes I still feel the same icky anger I used to feel when people would make abstract arguments that presumed being poor is pure destitution, just to keep things interesting for some argument.

[shipscode]

Ya, you just described any low margin business in downtown Manhattan. Maybe they can “afford” it but swiping $450/month from them is bs when they’re literally running the city.

[refulgentis]

When you frame it that was ($450/month) I'm more amenable, but then I check myself: am I reacting emotionally to "low margin" and the bitterness, and maybe I'm just amenable to that?

Double checking myself, the person we're looking for:

- [works at / owns] a low margin business in downtown manhattan

- has a car

- needs their car in Manhattan

- has to take their car out of Manhattan at some point

- can afford to wait N days to enter Manhattan

Looking at that...yeah I do still think that's a null set.

If you're gesturing at the more general "it sucks people gotta pay $450/month", yeah, I can imagine this being a substantial addition to a pizza place's budget if they were relying on workers driving their own cars in from Queens.

[shipscode]

Wash n fold services don’t deserve to exist in lower Manhattan. Good take.

[mehlmao]

"Yeah we lost the lottery today, so we can't pick up / drop off your clothes. No, we don't know if we'll win the lottery tomorrow either."

[ghodith]

Guess wash and fold services will have to start charging $15 more per day, how horrific.

[LargeTomato]

Yeah, no. Your solution is significantly more complicated. A $15 surcharge to enter the richest and most congested area of NYC is hardly an unfair tax on the poor. By your logic, charging for any parking in any city is an unfair tax on the poor.

[Ekaros]

It is. Hmm, not actually bad idea to set price of parking by income or wealth.

[ghodith]

By that logic charging for anything is an unfair tax on the poor.