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by superkuh 927 days ago
This is like complaining that if someone scribbles over a map with blue crayon that they're creating a lake and destroying property. The map is not the territory. And even more than the normal meaning of that in this case the image is really not actually a photo of the person.

The complexity of the algorithms involved in making images obscures that simple fact and enables a lot of hyperbolic nonsense and dangerous calls for use of force. There's no one being "undressed" here.

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Not really, if you sell someone a fake map and pass it off as authentic... you could be liable of fraud. The problem isn't that people are being "undressed" it's that the images are circulated as authentic in order to harm people.
There's certainly legitimacy to the public distribution aspect you lay out. I imagine there are laws that'd almost cover that already. But if you look around this very HN post you'll see most of the calls are for making generation itself illegal, not distribution.

edit: you yourself argue for making generation illegal in a different thread up above.

I am less and less inclined to believe that people actually believe such images are authentic.
How about you try it out and send it to your mom and see if she believes it's authentic?

Or how about have someone else send it to your boss, work contacts, and coworkers? Whether or not it's authentic, that's irrevocably harmed your relationship with them and there is nothing you can do to reverse that.

How has it harmed the relationships?
you seriously think if your ex sent your boss fake nudes it wouldn’t have any negative impact?

you must one of the most understanding employers on the planet if this is the case

people believe the moon landing and the holocaust are fake, there's a very low bar and fakes get better every day
People fight wars over maps, even though they are not the territory. Nine dashes, can you imagine? The maps can be just as risky as the territory. People will feel just as violated by fake nudes as real ones.
People don't fight wars over a random human person drawing over a map. It's not even something you'd think would be made illegal.

The wars happen when nations disagree about borders. Those borders are represented by maps but luckily nation states don't confuse the two (except for political theater and posturing). The wars happen when the real physical objects go over the real physical borders not when a random person scribbles on a map.

I think my analogy holds up pretty well even with your stretching of the scenario.