[verdverm]

One feature is not invading sovereign nations. However, each faction has shown creativity in how they define and apply this idea.

[byyll]

So the US isn't civilized, glad we settled that.

[verdverm]

that is a large logic leap to make from my statement

Being civilized is in the eyes of the beholder, with each faction believing they are civilized and justified. Are you painting an entire culture and people as uncivilized?

[byyll]

I am using your definition, that's all.