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by _jcyi 929 days ago
Kicked out for what? If they want to disincentivize wasting rice, they should charge for leftovers and offer sashimi as an upsell. If they don't, that's on the restaurant.
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Because living in a world where every bad behavior is prevented through enforcement mechanisms and bureaucratic procedure sucks ass, compared to a world where people generally speaking follow a social contract. If you can't understand why then you might not be thinking about it hard enough. It introduces friction, especially on those who would already have behaved well.
This is the internet after all.
Sushi restaurants also selling sashimi is "bureaucratic"? That's a strange take.
Ultimately depends on the restaurant - we had an AYCE sushi, hibachi restaurant we loved with a style different than a conveyor belt that gracefully handled the issue.

The restaurant had a to-go by-weight option. For the dine in patrons, you would check boxes on a menu slip with your order, quantity, etc.

Their menu included a simple request that patrons reasonably finish each plate before submitting a new order, that being honest kept their prices reasonable, and that patrons wasting entire orders would be charged on a per-weight basis for the wasted order at their discretion.

That line of thinking usually pairs with 'If there isn't a law against it then it must be Ok'. So the world becomes burdened with complex rules and laws to prevent people having to live in a hellscape of Jerks.
I don't eat rice; I've been strictly keto for over a decade. My health choices make me a jerk?

Some people are allergic to rice. Some people are on medically prescribed diets. Maybe there's an obscure religion that forbids eating rice. Some people just don't like rice. Are they all jerks too?

That restaurant wouldn't be my preference, but if I did have to be there for an important reason, I certainly wouldn't be bullied into eating something I didn't want to eat. I'm generally strict about wasting food, but in that situation I wouldn't feel even slightly guilty about it.

Ordering a dish that is mostly rice knowing that you won't/can't eat it is being a jerk, yes. I don't know about that restaurant, but I've never seen a sushi place that didn't also serve sashimi.
You could always speak with the staff about your dietary restrictions as is standard practice for the allergic, intolerant, and such.

If they can accommodate your request, and they typically will, you’re golden. If not, you may need to patronize a different business. It is, after all, a reciprocal relationship. If your basic needs aren’t met, and they have a stiff policy on substitution - then yes, you are a jerk for ignoring them.

That's exactly my point.
That's actually precisely the problem. People abusing the system make things more difficult for people who have legitimate reasons to be the exception to the rule (e.g. people with allergies).
That's a problem, but it's not the problem. I'm not sure why you guys are acting like it's an unreasonable suggestion for a sushi restaurant to serve sashimi.
I don't think that anyone is objecting to them serving sashimi. People are objecting to people throwing out most of the sushi rolls and only eating the fish. Both because doing so is wasteful and because it appears to be willfully abusing an unintentional oversight in a way that hurts the people running the business.
You're probably focusing on the wrong thing if you're jumping to the defense of people who leave things on the plate for any reason.

The actual controversy here is that the folks in the story clearly thought they were cheating the system, and people are responding without questioning that, and some people are questioning that.

That's certainly a possibility, but none of us have enough information to say for sure.
The sins thing is about as clear as you can get.

Unless you're going to call the entire story fake, then yes we have enough information.

Why? Charging for leftovers and offering sashimi as an upsell is certainly one mechanism the restaurant can use. And so is reserving the right to refuse serving customers they don't like, and making use of that right every once in a while.

It's up to the market (ie patrons and restraunts) to decide which mix of policies they prefer.

They're free to use that mechanism, but it shouldn't come as a surprise to the customer. That accomplishes nothing other than wasted food, upset patrons, and credit card disputes.
You are right in some sense.

Though it wouldn't come as too much of a surprise to reasonable customers when you kick out unreasonable customers.

You are right that (bad) surprises are bad for commercial transactions. Most restaurants, especially all-you-can-eat joints, have some rules written down somewhere about these kind of situations.