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by highwaylights 924 days ago
One of these days I'm going to make the Internet prove to ME that IT's not a robot and see how it likes it
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cloudflare captchas really are a grade a pest at the moment, i already switched my DNS once because i always got stuck, now it happens again
It’s stuck an an infinite loop for me.

Click the pictures, get the green tick, click the button, a brand new captcha

yup, that’s what i mean. try switching to a different domain name server
IIRC it's not a cloudflare capture but a problem with DNS not providing certain informations.
It's not even a Cloudflare captcha in this case: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38174302
huh? i definitely was served cloudflare captchas
I know this doesn't really solve the underlying problem, but I find that if I use Cloudflare's WARP (https://1.1.1.1/), Cloudflare is able to recognize the traffic is coming from itself and I can get past these captchas
that’s weird, 1.1.1.1 gave me issues in the first place
this archive.is website (and its other domains) has been misconfigured in "I am under attack mode" since 2015 or so. which makes cloudflare's nonsense captcha come up every time you visit it (and / or just the javascript bot check script).
Source?

That has never happened to me, and I use archive.is/archive.ph/whatever other domain they indicate I should use very regularly.

sorry i forget to state i'm talking about if you have a "bad" IP address. for random people with their home IP it normally doesn't happen
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38554322.
This website doesn’t ever work as a paywall bypass anymore. Just captchas for days.
No, that’s just them blocking your DNS provider. You’re using cloudflare, quad9, or similar. Google “cloudflare archive.is” for details.
nope. archive.is has their cloudflare configuration set to "i am under attack mode"[1], which makes the cloudflare captcha come up every time a tor / vpn / "bad" IP address visits it. its been like this since 2015. if you aren't familiar, cloudflare just serves tor / vpn / "bad" IP captchas for every domain you visit. the captchas themselves are broken half the time. in 2018 cloudflare then added deep packet inspection to see if you're using tor browser and then let you not solve the captcha [2]. but if you're in "i am under attack mode" or some other non default cloudflare configuration, your users will get the captcha

1. or something similar, been a while since i went through cloudflare's configuration options

2. this is also why you will never be able to browse the internet with links / lynx / w3m or use curl / wget ever again without using your bare IP

It's pretty well documented that archive's owner doesn't like the way Cloudflare reports EDNS for 1.1.1.1, and causes problems for people who come via that dns:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828317

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28495204

and its pretty undocumented that cloudflare has blocked all tor users plus any other major shared IP since 2010 and only in 2018 added the condition i mentioned above, and you still get blocked from all cloudflare sites if you do anything special like change your user agent or the Accept header
Then why do I get a captcha loop if I use 1.1.1.1 or 9.9.9.9 as my resolver ... but if I use 8.8.8.8, I don't?

I can switch back and forth and reproduce it perfectly each time.

ah okay well both are true: if you use tor / vpn (regardless of what DNS server is used) you are blocked from archive.is. if you use bare IP but 1.1.1.1 as your DNS, then i guess you get blocked too
archive.is doesn't use Cloudflare. The captcha is reCAPTCHA.
they literally have used cloudflare since 2015 or earlier, for every minute that service existed. if you tried to open it with tor from then until now, you get:

" One more step Please complete the security check to access "

"Why do I have to complete a CAPTCHA? Completing the CAPTCHA proves you are a human and gives you temporary access to the web property."

which is cloudflare's classic tor blocking page

The captcha has reCAPTCHA written on it and the Tor Browser does like 15 requests to google.com domains. None of the archive.is|li|ph|today domains use Cloudflare name servers and resolving archive.is from all over the world returns not a single Cloudflare IP.

I'm pretty sure they don't use Cloudflare.

that's weird, never an issue from me. Might try switching temporarily to quad 9 dns or something just as a quick test.
Try Bypass Paywalls Clean on Firefox. It works perfectly for me on most news sites.
I wish HN gave me the ability to gild comments like reddit does.
I visited Reddit yesterday for the first time in a long time. I saw an interesting meme and wanted to write a long form piece of content in the comments. After I was done: I received two low-effort replies that revealed to me I have less-than-great communication skills or the readers put zero focus in active reading skills; and one reply with an axe to grind that focused on attacking me and making all sorts of assumptions on who I was as a person, while assuring me I was the person who couldn’t take someone challenging his ideas, and that I was the problem.

Reddit is a cesspit.

Given Reddit's history with fake accounts, I'm not sure that many posts aren't just fever-dreamed LLMs on corporately created bulk accounts.

Reddit has burned a lot of credibility with the power user and creator types. I know plenty who've moved to Mastodon, Blue Sky, Threads, etc. And by doing so, leaves bottom feeders there. And how else do you get engagement? You fake it, naturally.

What are you on about? What relevance does any of this have?

I like the parent comment because it made me laugh, so I was expressing my wish that it would be nice to able to appreciate them for it in some way. I used reddit's gilding feature as a shortcut to convey that wish because most people know of it and it's an easy to understand shortcut.

Because reddit is a cesspit, any feature that was associated with reddit at any point of time is not worth using to convey information? How about text quoting and reply buttons, should we stop using them too? What an absurd way to look at things.

Clearly, I am horrible at communication or Redditors are horrible at reading something at face value.

I shared a recent anecdote about Reddit, because I was reminded of it from your comment. There was no point, I was just sharing what I felt the same way you did when you wrote about wishing HN to have a gild feature.

But if we want to go down the combative discourse route: you're hyperbolizing. Reddit became the mess it was due to a mixture of many things. One of those was its site design/UI; notably public display of post and comment scores that leads to a "dog-pile" effect, rather than natural voting patterns. Being able to gild just intensifies the effects, and leads to posts being interacted with not because the content of their message is informative or interesting, but because it has countless flashing symbols violating your focus, screaming "look at me! look at me!"