[runako]

Really not trying to make a value judgement here. Just observing that many Web professionals do find value in tools that use third-party cookies, and such value is not always about spying or selling data.

For example, the European Parliament website uses third-party cookies for analytics and for Web streaming. Yes, they can run the whole stack themselves. It is also a) more work and b) not how most of the industry works.

The European Parliament with the resources of the EU, finds it expeditious to use 3P cookies and just display a cookie banner. How reasonable is it to expect sites with fewer resources to do similar interesting things on the Web without also falling afoul of the EU law?

[efdee]

I don't get your point. You are allowed to use those tools, but if you do, you need to get the user's consent.

What you are looking for is a way to use these tools, of which you don't really know what they're going to use this data for or how and why they are tracking me, without my consent.

I find it very strange that this is something you object to.

[runako]

> You are allowed to use those tools, but if you do, you need to get the user's consent.

We are saying the same thing. Yes, you can use the tools, but then you require consent from the user as the very first thing they see on your website.

> I find it very strange that this is something you object to.

As a non-EU national, I don't derive the benefits of Do Not Delete etc. I do not ever care that a site is using 3P cookies to do e.g. on-page analytics. The cookie banners are a net negative for me.

[efdee]

Sorry for the late reply.

> We are saying the same thing. Yes, you can use the tools, but then you require consent from the user as the very first thing they see on your website. No, you only require to get consent from the user before you start using the tools. That this is as soon as they enter your website, and thus you need to ask consent as the very first thing they see, is your own choice.

> As a non-EU national, I don't derive the benefits of Do Not Delete etc. I do not ever care that a site is using 3P cookies to do e.g. on-page analytics. The cookie banners are a net negative for me. I'm sorry that you're not getting any benefits from it. That said, blame the site owners for incorrectly identifying your IP as a European one.

[archerx]

I think the only person who really cares about those tracking tools is the marketing department.

I have no good reason as to why the EU live stream has 3rd party cookies. However I set up online streaming for two small TV stations in my country, they wanted you to be able to watch the channel live on the station's website, we were able to see how many people were watching the stream live and I never had to use 3rd party cookies. It's not that hard to set up and it is cheaper than you'd expect now days, even video capture cards/devices are much lower price than back in the day.

[runako]

> I think the only person who really cares about those tracking tools is the marketing department.

The marketing department typically is important to businesses.

[vilunov]

Why does "web streaming" require more cookies than legitimate interest?