[panick21_]

> He clearly argued against flashy technology demonstrations like orbital refueling, which if you have paid attention, doesn't apply to the SLS but Starship.

I think this ignores that a lander of significant size would need newly designed hypergolic engines and would need very complex orbital refueling of hypergolics as well.

> Fancy technology has been put on a pedestal, while the actual mission is being neglected.

I think this is just a misunderstanding of the long term vision for the program. I its not about Artemis 3 only.

> SpaceX enthusiasts think the moon mission is some irrelevant symbolic political boondoggle to keep NASA facilities open. They all want to go on the promised 100 people trip to mars.

That's unfair. SpaceX enthusiast for the most part are simply happy money flows into the Starship program. The real win here is the Starship program itself, not any individual mission.

And I think that is the most impactful thing about this, having impact all future deep space missions. So call me a SpaceX enthusiasts.

So unless you go to a tiny lander, its just a reality. Its in the critical path.