[weatherlite]

Depends on how you define success I guess. If your definition of success is anything that remotely has to do with the well being of Gazans then its quite hard to make the case the Hamas attack was a success. Quite the contrary it seems to me.

If the goal was to kill Israelis, torture and humiliate them then yes it was a tremendous success.

[Dah00n]

>If the goal was to kill Israelis, torture and humiliate them then yes it was a tremendous success.

Which I'd argue is the whole point of what they are doing. That and getting the world, well, not on their side exactly, but on not-Isreals-side. Which they are slowly getting. I'd call this a huge success (for them - not for the poor people, of course).

[weatherlite]

The world is definitely not on their side

[zukhan]

The world is definitely a lot more on the side of the Palestinians now than before October 7. Israel has lost the public support around the world. Not surprising since it is basically committing a genocide against the people of Gaza.

[weatherlite]

Hamas is not the Palestinians. There's no Western country with meaningful support for Hamas, the only places where that exists are Islamic countries.

[zukhan]

"That and getting the world, well, not on their side exactly, but on not-Isreals-side."

I think we're saying the same thing. We're talking about the public support moving away from Israel and for the Palestinian people.