[barkerja]

I don't disagree, but since buying the UDM-Pro years ago, I feel like the software has gotten great. And recently, they've baked in Wireguard replacing L2TP.

Personally, I'd like to see more prosumer devices that support 2.5GbE/10GbE.

[aetherspawn]

People always raise Wireguard as the end-all of VPN and yet its 2023 and there's virtually no way to deploy it in a business context.

InTune doesn't even list it as a supported VPN, and everything I see to deploy it suggests some kind of hack to bypass UAC for one specific app because the end-user software requires Admin permissions to startup and hook.

When we use L2TP with UDM Pro we get ~0.1Mbps across the wire from macOS and ~20Mbps across the wire with Windows, and yet the same VPN server running on a Mikrotik will easily achieve ~300Mbps. L2TP is so easy to deploy .. it's built into Windows and macOS. I wish they would just stop telling everyone to switch to WG and fix the performance issue that is clearly Unifi specific.

NB we are a business and our average spend for Unifi is $50K per year so we have a right to complain.

[josephcsible]

Isn't it normal that changing the destination of all of a system's network traffic would require admin permissions? Why does that make you think it's a hack?

[aetherspawn]

It's completely reasonable that it requires admin permissions, but what I'm saying is that the other protocols (i.e. L2TP) that are built into macOS/Windows and mobile devices are integrated in such a way that they do not.

Most businesses never give their users admin permissions because it's a security can-of-worms, so for Unifi to push Wireguard for business doesn't make much sense. Happy for someone to point me at a turnkey Wireguard solution that just-works with InTune.

[lstamour]

They seem to have something if you want to give them a call ;-)

> Fixed the issue where WireGuard VPN could not be used through Intune-deployed MSI installation.

Source: https://wiki.ui.com/docs/identity-enterprise-endpoints-0671

[barkerja]

> Happy for someone to point me at a turnkey Wireguard solution that just-works with InTune.

Tailscale?

[fomine3]

There are many enterprises install Cisco AnyConnect or ZScaler

[nullindividual]

Most VPN software has an automatic start Windows service when the user initiates the connection, thus not requiring local admin.

Needing local admin would make WG a non-starter for many organizations.

[lol768]

> InTune doesn't even list it as a supported VPN, and everything I see to deploy it suggests some kind of hack to bypass UAC for one specific app because the end-user software requires Admin permissions to startup and hook.

L2TP performance issues aside, I don't see how it's UniFi's fault that Microsoft's ecosystem is poor. I don't have many positive things to say about InTune.

[novok]

Wireguard feels like the HDR of VPNs, adoption is slower than you'd think it would be.

[nilespotter]

> virtually no way to deploy it in a business context.

...there is tailscale

[aetherspawn]

It is not compatible with UDM Pro wireguard server directly, so it’s basically a standalone solution.

Now that you mention it, the small PowerEdge is not that expensive and might be the best way to deploy as Intel Xeon has AES NI.

[InTheArena]

2.5GB of this will be introduced next.