[youerbt]

> Programming languages are tools to get shit done.

I, on the other hand, find it baffling that some programmers, despite the fact that programmers generally make computers useful for other people, don't care how computers can be more useful for them.

Those guys in the "square wheels comic"[0] are also getting shit done.

[0] easy to google

[Kamq]

> don't care how computers can be more useful for them

My guess is that the OP doesn't see this as a computer being more useful for them, but instead sees it as being less useful as it requires more work to get the same result.

And if you're in a domain where crashes aren't necessarily a problem, or where security isn't a top priority (non-public facing tools often fall into this category), correctness (in the general case) and safety don't automatically map to utility.

[estebank]

> a domain where crashes aren't necessarily a problem

So an application that doesn't deal with user data? Those are rare, but do exist.

> where security isn't a top priority (non-public facing tools often fall into this category)

So nothing accessibly remotely, no connecting to a server for influencing its behavior, no auto-update, no cross-user collaboration. I sometimes hear "this doesn't need safety, it's just a multiplayer game" and don't know how to answer in a constructive way. Even an application like grep can be exploited if an (hypothetical) unmitigated coding mistake exists and it reads a specially crafted file that somehow ended innocuously on your filesystem. The threat model is much bigger than you're giving it credit.