[briantakita]

Before act 3, there was act 1 & act 2. These conflicts were at least decades in the making, if not over a century. Best option is to seek peace & seriously understand & respect the terms of the "enemy". Better than perpetual conflict that only seems to benefit the Billionaire class. Trade > war

[mlindner]

The "terms" of the enemy are an abrogation of sovereignty to Russia to create its "russian world". Russia wants to have its own dedicated sphere of influence and feels that the world owes that to it. You don't placate a bully by giving them exactly what they want after they punch you in the face. They'll just come back for more later with new greater demands.

Tons of European countries have all sorts of historical claims all over the territory in Europe, including Russia. They've fought over the territory for centuries. Then they decided after Europe was basically destroyed in war that they don't want to repeat that, other than Russia who still maintained its imperialistic thinking. We're in the last dying gasps of that. The worst thing to do would be to encourage it by giving them what they want.

[briantakita]

Is this why Niger kicked out imperialist France & many people in Africa are carrying pictures of Putin as a liberator? My question to you is, if you think Russia has imperial ambitions, why is the West making it attractive to the global south to turn to Russia...by acting like imperialists?

It's all well & good to make someone else the boogie man. However, if you act like the boogie man, don't be surprised if you get called out...even if you double down on your claim that someone else is the boogie man.

I live in America so my interests are intertwined with America's long-term success. I don't benefit from delusions of grandeur practiced by an increasingly greedy, ruthless, & incompetent managerial class in the West. I don't care who you call the boogie man...you cannot escape responsibility for your actions.

[mlindner]

Russia's trying to take over a country in imperial conquest, by their own words, and you call America not the imperialist? Lol? Russia doesn't have "imperalist ambitions". They're, right now, trying to expand their own territory by taking over other countries.

The "global south" is not trying to buddy up with Russia. That's 20th century thinking. Russia's propaganda arm is strong however so there are a couple countries, especially in Africa, that have been rather well tricked by Russia. They still think Russia is the USSR and not a 21st century imperialist power.

> I live in America

The people who state this after the stuff you stated, aren't actually who they say they are.

[briantakita]

> Russia's trying to take over a country in imperial conquest, by their own words, > They're, right now, trying to expand their own territory by taking over other countries.

Citation please. Neocon/neolib accusations dont count...original sources only. From what it looks like, Russia is protecting Russian speaking people from a group of Nazis which performed a coup against a democraticly elected government in 2014. This cohort which the US arms violently oppressed these Russian speaking people over the last decade. It's not like the Ukranian people are benefiting from the conflict either. There have been opportunities for a peace treaty but were rejected at the behest of western interests.

I would rather there be a peace treaty, but as this war drags on, the terms will become tougher & more wealth will flow from the US people to the billionaire managerial class...and more lives will be lost. Classic imperial indifference to the people...

> and you call America not the imperialist?

I was born & raised in Hawaii. The kingdom of Hawaii from was illegally stolen from the soverign Kingdom of Hawaii led by Queen Liliuokalani in a coup backed by US business interests & enforced by the US Marines. The US military has bases & have defiled sacred land with bombings & pollution. The native Americans, South American countries, African countries, Middle Eastern countries, European countries, & Asian countries have felt the wrath of US imperialism. Yes, the US has practiced imperialism for over a century.

> The "global south" is not trying to buddy up with Russia

Many in the global south see Russia as a liberator from the dominant & abusive hegemon that pax Americana has become. Theres no permanent alliances, only permanent interests. So if you want America & western nations to have more influence than Russia or China, start acting in ways that benefit these other countries & their people. Coercision will only get you so far. If there are better alternatives to coercision, the better alternatives will be taken. Your cohort can't even bring happiness to the people in America. The thing we dont need is looking abroad for monsters to slay.

> The people who state this after the stuff you stated, aren't actually who they say they are.

Ok buddy. You sound like you drank some funky imperial kool aid. My name is in my handle. You can look me up if you want. We can do much better than what is happening right now. You implying I'm not who I say I am is you denying the fact that people don't agree with the insanity that you peddle & will exercise their free speech to say so. I have heard the same tired imperialist, racist, divisive arguments that come from your camp & it just does not make any sense other than to support world domination for the billionaire managerial class. No thank you. Hard pass. The blood, sweat, tears, & innovations of our ancestors are squandered by the ruthlessness, arrogance, corruption, & incompetence of the self-serving "leadership" of the billionaire managerial class.

Your cohort would be better to focus on making the lives of the people in America & the world better through peaceful means...promoting the freedom, liberty, & prosperity of all. The propaganda & doubling down on lies is not working anymore. Censorship or tech will not change what has already been seen. The genie is already out of the bottle. Your cohort is better of repenting for multitude of sins because the mark has been missed.

[analognoise]

What? You’re not seriously saying to make peace with the Russians who invaded Ukraine?

[MyFirstSass]

Its a US proxy war pushed by the empire.

Its about geopolitical power like most other wars in history.

So yeah no. Don’t be a war fan, it’s rich people playing you.

[briantakita]

Better than transferring what remaining wealth I have to the billionaire managerial class who spews out untruthful propaganda that makes my life worse. They also happen to demonize Russians.

Look, the Russians are humans just like us. They have their interests just like we do. The Russians have given the West many warnings to not spread Nato, to not arm Nazi extremists in Ukraine, & to not persecute the Russian speaking Ukrainians. However, the West backed the Maidan Coup to topple the Ukranian democracy in 2014, armed Nazi extremists who carried out atrocities against civilians, & kept on spreading Nato in spite of Russia's soverign interests.

Are you truly surprised that Putin acted how he did? Are you also surprised that a bear attacks after you poke at it? Let's be real here...If you really care about the Ukranian people, you would support peace...because the Ukranians have pregnant women, old men, & teenagers forced into service fighting on the front lines at this point. Their entire county has been decimated.

[analognoise]

NATO has expanded by 2 countries, one right against the Russian border. If there was any truth to that being the actual cause of hostilities, wouldn't that have made some kind of impact?

Also: what bear, the one where ATACMS from 1996 destroy 12 helicopters at a time, flagships get sunk by a country without a Navy and submarines get hit when they're at drydocks? "Meat assaults of convicts" doesn't scream powerful bear...

Lots of Russian disinformation here - for example, Russia is supposed to be some bear we can't poke, but "the West" is so powerful they can cause popular uprisings in Ukraine (Maidan)? If that were the case, shouldn't Russia just give up, it's clear they have no hope against "the West" - they should sue for peace. Or...maybe Viktor Yanukovych was really a criminal and the people despised him?

Ukraine was invaded; the Ruble is down 25%. Yandex (and most programmers/scientists) left - that's the equivalent of Google noping out of the country. What kind of empire needs to steal toilets and washing machines? If it was a bear, it's definitely taking a shit in the woods - because there's no toilets.

Again, take what you've said literally - let's say Ukraine really did have pregnant women, old men, and teenagers on the front line... and Ukraine is still holding them off?...how weak is this bear? Apparently pregnant women are all you need to hold off "the bear"? Must be a cub...

For very little money and none of our lives lost we can finally dismantle the Russian state, which as noted above is not only not much of a bear, but launched a criminal invasion of a neighboring country.