[darth_avocado]

One problem though, humanities and social/behavioral science still dominate the overall enrollment. STEM enrollment although increasing recently, still has relatively been constant through the years. You could argue more people are going towards business majors, but business majors end up having to take those courses anyway. That still should not explain the difference in rigor when it comes to STEM vs humanities/social/behavioral sciences.

Example: https://www.ppic.org/blog/is-the-decline-in-the-humanities-o...

[thelock85]

STEM majors were 38% of Yale 2022-23 undergrad degrees. STEM + Econ - 48%. Arts & Humanities - 24%. Social Sciences - 38%

https://oir.yale.edu/data-browser/student-data/degrees/bache...

[LegitShady]

why would anyone bundle STEM and econ?

[mikeyouse]

Because Econ in good schools is extremely math heavy and is obviously STEM-adjacent.

[LegitShady]

nah. just because it uses math doesn't make it stem adjacent. economics is not a science.

[thelock85]

Mech.E + Econ here. As I recall after Intro to Micro and Macro, it was all calculus and statistical modeling.

[LegitShady]

How does that make it STEM? If I study social science and use math does that make social science stem? Or does it mean you used a lot of modelling in a non stem subject?

[bigstrat2003]

Social science is STEM by definition. The S stands for science.

[LegitShady]

you can name anything anything. Rename astrology as future science and that doesn't make it science. Social science is science like or science-y, but not science. Same with economics. They are heavy in math. They are math adjacent. They are not the study of math. They are a not a science. They are not engineering. economics is not STEM and grouping it with stem is weird.

[darth_avocado]

Just because something has science in it doesn’t mean it actually is science. Political science, metaphysical science, spiritual science etc.

[LudwigNagasena]

Because it’s basically applied math.

[LegitShady]

so is counting to 50 going up 5 at a time. that doesn't make it STEM. It's not a science.

[LudwigNagasena]

3/4th of STEM isn’t science…