[pototo666]

Chinese IP are not allowed to use ChatGPT. Chinese credit card is not allowed for OpenAI API.

Source: my own experience.

What puzzles me most is the second restriction. My credit card is accepted by AWS, Google, and many other services. It is also accepted by many services which use Stripe to process payments.

But OpenAI refuses to take my money.

[SheinhardtWigCo]

Perhaps they are unwilling to operate in a territory where they would be required to disclose every user's chat history to the government, which has potentially severe implications for certain groups of users and also for OpenAI's competitive interests.

[Aerbil313]

PRISM.

[dspillett]

> Chinese credit card is not allowed for OpenAI API.

A lot of online services don't accept Chinese credit cards, hosting providers for instance, so I don't think that is specific to OpenAI. The reason usually given for this is excessive chargebacks of (in the case of hosting) TOS violations like sending junk mail (followed by a charge-back when this is blocked). It sounds a like collective punishment a little: while I don't doubt that there are a lot of problem users coming from China, with such a large population that doesn't indicate that any majority of users from the region are a problem. I can see the commercial PoV though: if the majority of charge-back issues and related problems come from a particular region and you get very few genuine costumers from there¹ then blocking the area is a net gain despite potentially losing customers.

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[1] due to preferring local variants (for reasons of just wanting to support local, due to local resources having lower latency, due to your service being blocked by something like the GFW, local services being in their language, any/all the above and more)

[hnfong]

It's definitely not a commercial thing but political.

I'm located in Hong Kong and using Hong Kong credit cards have never been a problem with online merchants. I don't think Hong Kong credit cards are particularly bad with chargebacks or whatever. OpenAI has explicitly blocked Hong Kong (and China). Hong Kong and China, together with other "US adversaries" like Iran, N. Korea, etc are not on OpenAI's supported countries list.

If you have been paying attention, you'll know that US policy makers are worried that Chinese access to AI technology will pose a security risk to the US. This is just one instance of these AI technology restrictions. Ineffectual of course given the many ways to workaround them, but it is what it is.

[Aerbil313]

> Chinese access to AI technology will pose a security risk to the US

There’s no security risk I can see except the fact products like ChatGPT increase productivity of a lot of people in a nation so much. Economic.

[GaggiX]

I don't understand, if ChatGPT is blocked by the firewall, how do you know that ChatGPT is blocking IPs in return? Are there chinese IP ranges that are not affected by censorship that a citizen can use?

[dantondwa]

When a website is blocked by the firewall, it doesn’t load.

When a website blocks Chinese users, the website loads but you cannot create an account.

Yes, the firewall does not block everything, otherwise it would be the same as turning off the internet! There are websites that work.

[GaggiX]

Okay but the point is that ChatGPT is blocked by the firewall.

EDIT: I read the comment below about Hong Kong, but I can't reply because I'm typing too fast by HN standards, so I'm writing it here and yolo: "I'm from Italy and I remember when ChatGPT was blocked here after the Garante della Privacy complaint, of course the site wasn't blocked by Italy but OpenAI complies with local obligations, so maybe it could be a reason about the block. API were also not blocked in Italy."

EDIT 2: if the website is not actually blocked (the websites that check if a website is reachable by mainland China lied to me) then I guess they are just complying to local regulations so that the entire website does not get blocked.

[deadfoxygrandpa]

it's not blocked by the firewall. i'm in china and i can load openai's website and chatgpt just fine. openai just blocks me from accessing chatgpt or signing up for an account unless i use a VPN and US based phone number for signup

as in, if i open chat.openai.com in my browser without a VPN, from behind the firewall, i get an openai error message that says "Unable to load site" with the openai logo on screen

if the firewall blocks something the page just doesn't load at all and the connection times out

[hnfong]

In so far as Hong Kong IPs are "Chinese IPs", we can access OpenAI's website, but their signup and login pages blocks Hong Kong phone numbers, credit cards and IP addresses.

Curiously, the OpenAI API endpoints works flawlessly with Hong Kong IP addresses as long as you have a working API key.

[btzs]

OpenAI API is not blocked. You can set up your own front-end like Chatbot UI.

[rfoo]

ChatGPT was not blocked by the GFW when it first released for a few weeks (if not months, I don't remember), but at that time OpenAI already blocked China.

The geo check only happened once during login at that time, with a very clear message that it's "not available in your region". Once you are logged in with a proxy you can turn off your proxy/VPN/whatever and use ChatGPT just fine.

[rmbyrro]

Have you tried with a prepaid card? Some even allow you to fund it with crypto.

[renonce]

Yeah that’s how most users in China access OpenAI. But it’s inconvenient for the majority of people nevertheless.