[ghaff]

I don't really care any longer having a pretty flexible schedule and no commute. But living in relatively northern New England, the timezone tweaks for summer and winter really were pretty welcome. I suspect that most of those ranting about timezone changes wouldn't actually want sunrise at 4am or sunset at 3pm.

[kelnos]

I feel the opposite way. I too have a flexible schedule and no commute, and I'd prefer not having to change time zones twice a year. It's annoying and doesn't serve any useful benefit to me. I don't care when the sunrise or sunset is in wall-clock time, I can get up later/earlier and go to bed later/earlier if I want. Yes, there are things that need to be done during normal business hours, but I have a full 8 of those to work with.

The main issue I see is that of kids' primary school schedules: they already have to get up so ridiculously early; having to be in school when the sun isn't even up yet is brutal. But that seems to be the case in some places regardless of whether or not we do a DST change.

And of course there are plenty of people who don't have my (our) flexible schedule and lack of commute. It does suck to have to drive to work in the morning when it's dark, or come home in the evening without any daylight left to enjoy. But, again, this is going to be the case for many people even with a DST change.

[ghaff]

In my case, I don't have kids, I don't have a consistent schedule, and I travel enough than a one hour timezone shift isn't something I even notice--the early airport pickup is far more likely to affect my rhythms. My preference is probably year-round DST in the Boston area. (We're basically in the wrong timezone.) But I understand being in sync with the rest of the east coast.

I'd also pretty much be fine with year-round standard time at this point but the time shift just isn't really on my radar.

[anon84873628]

Expecting school and business hours to have a fixed clock time, and then trying to shift that to the sun, is exactly the problem.

Imagine if instead the school changed the start time a few minutes each week in order to maintain a fixed offset with sunrise.

Bonus points because you don't force an abrupt change to circadian rhythm that takes two weeks to adjust.

Of course the problem is that many parents are stuck in jobs that expect fixed start times too...

[jibbit]

> The main issue I see..

you've 180° misunderstood DST, the sole purpose of which is to give you an extra hour in bed in the winter

[xoa]

I also live in northern New England and feel the same at this point. It may not be ideal, but nothing else would be either. And honestly technology has made the pain points pretty much vanish for me anyway: now every single time keeping device automatically switches over, and my smart lights that I made a program for a simulated sunrise and time-of-day based color temperature changes also switch which means my circadian rhythm adapts right away. I can absolutely empathize with those who feel differently but I think where we've ended up is pretty decent given the ginormously different circumstances and wishes. Until something can win a better consensus.

[danaris]

I live in Upstate New York, and care much more about the frustration, added stress, and provable loss of life that results from the twice-yearly changing of the clocks than I do about what the clock says when the sun is setting. If I want more sunlight during the time I'm awake, I can get up earlier in the morning.

[ghaff]

Not everyone controls their schedule.

[danaris]

But I would hope that everyone cares about provable loss of life from extra heart attacks and traffic accidents.

[ghaff]

They do not.