[Veserv]

There are very good reasons why safety-critical products do not "move fast and break people". It is generally frowned upon in civil society to disregard safety and human life just to satisfy your curiosity and greed. I understand that the executive team at Tesla does not care given that they push a unfinished, defective, and criminally unsafe product like FSD onto the roads to make their numbers, but it reflects poorly to portray such a ingrained sociopathic company culture positively.

[DennisP]

> Tesla's Model Y has been recognized as one of the safest cars of 2023 by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS), receiving the agency's Top Safety Pick+ rating for the third year.

https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1224/tesla-model-y-receive...

> Teslas on non-highways with Full Self Driving (FSD) engaged had just 0.31 accidents per million miles representing an 80% reduction in accidents compared with the average vehicle.

https://thedriven.io/2023/04/27/accident-rate-for-tesla-80-l...

[Veserv]

Oh great, the Tesla Safety report [1]. Can you let me know where in that “exhaustive” report I can find the number of accidents or miles driven used in that calculation? You know, the numerator and denominator? You know, the sort of hard-hitting data reporting expected out of a elementary school science fair project?

Almost like they hide that information like how they demand NHTSA redact all pertinent information from the NHTSA SGO database of ADAS crashes [2] so that the public can not fact check them.

Or like how their telemetry just happened to miss 90% of their confirmed fatal crashes which we only know about due to third party investigations as seen in the NHTSA SGO database.

Or maybe like how around 50% of the crashes Tesla investigates are fatal, but they just choose to leave ~95% uninvestigated as seen in the NHTSA SGO database. They are just worried investigating the crashes they caused will show FSD is too safe.

That report and Tesla’s reporting around FSD are gross, criminal malpractice. Only a sociopathic executive team and company culture would encourage safety reporting that intentionally deceptive.

[1] https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport

[2] https://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations/standing-general-orde...

[DennisP]

Well I'm not going to dig into all that data to see if it verifies your claims, so I guess I'll leave it there.

But the first link I posted came from the insurance industry, not from Tesla.