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by throwrhpip 933 days ago
I was put on a PIP at Red Hat that was quite farcical and very much about personality disconnects between myself and my manager (and made much more annoying by the fact that he had told me before the PIP that multiple other managers had let him know that they would be interested in me being on their team if I was looking for something different - instead he went the PIP route).

There was room for improvement (isn't there always), and on the face of it, to read the PIP "Objectives for success", they all seemed reasonable, and were very ... objective. Specifically to craft some extended documents around a potential product, to capture and present some of the research around that product to a group, etc. About five items.

I completed them. All of them.

My manager and I met for our regular 1:1s where he expressed that things were looking good (well, he no-showed for one, and my skip-level came for another).

I show up to our end-of-PIP review and immediately know the outcome because HR is there with my manager. Part of me was pragmatic. However...

What really ground my gears?

"I have been reviewing the documents and material you created as part of your objectives for the PIP and I feel that they are not of the standard that we need."

I expressed confusion. "When we discussed this in our meetings, you expressed no concern". "They're just not the standard of what we need."

And then literally during the call, I pulled up the documents and discovered/remembered GDocs access list.

I started screen sharing in front of him and HR.

Document 1: Manager - Last Viewed: Never

Document 2: Manager - Last Viewed: Never

About this point he turned his camera off.

Rinse and repeat. Of about 5 documents, presentations, spreadsheets, he'd only ever looked at one of them, at that was months before the PIP.

He mentioned that he had given me feedback more in Google Chat than in our 1:1s. I pulled up our chat history, simple to review, since he'd actually 100% ghosted me for the duration of the PIP. Sitting there in front of HR, with me firing off about a dozen questions, updates, etc., and there's just no responses from manager.

HR had at least the decency to look rather embarrassed about it all. My manager said nothing for the rest of the call.

A few days later someone higher in HR acknowledged that they’d looked at the same things and confirmed my perspective and said that the managers handling of the PIP was not how it should have been but that their decision was final (which was fine, I never expected it to change anyone’s mind).

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I'm often confused by folks going to great lengths to "prove" stuff to HR. Why? HR works for the company / manager.

Focus on yourself. Your greatest power is not in arguing with a boss who doesn't like you. You can do things like switch teams internally - just put in for a switch. Start interviewing and work for another company and find someone who does like working with you. Maybe even go work for yourself.

Even when working for yourself, this actually still holds. When it's miserable working with a client, don't "PROVE" to them they are idiots. Do you really want to keep working with someone you've had to do this with? Again, move on.

I've had this happen a few times where the previous boss / client remembers me fondly - and I don't hate them either at the end of it.

> I'm often confused by folks going to great lengths to "prove" stuff to HR. Why? HR works for the company / manager.

In this case, if they had fought unemployment, there was factual and objective evidence against their case. "On review, his work output was unsatisfactory". "According to Google, you never reviewed said work output."

> You can do things like switch teams internally - just put in for a switch.

This pissed me off - I could easily have switched teams, even per my manager. Until he announced that I was now on a PIP. No manager is going to approve a transfer to their team, then.

Like I said, I had no expectations that any of this would change anything with respect to my termination. I'd moved on, and wouldn't want to keep being there.

But worst case scenario: "The employee's plan said that they could do X, Y and Z. You stated that they were terminated because they didn't do X, Y and Z." "Yes." "How did you determine that?" "By reviewing those things." "But it can be demonstrated that you conducted no such review."

In my state, that would mean they'd have to demonstrate that I was actually fired for misconduct, not performance, to make me ineligible for benefits.

How did we get to this? WTF happened? To treat another human being like this. The pathetic little weasels cannot even straight out tell someone they’re fired. They have to play this humiliating game of pretending you can affect the outcome and that there’s something wrong with you. Satanic.
100% - I would have taken a simple "This isn't working out for us. We appreciate your efforts. Today will be your last day." over all this.

For insult on injury, they declined severance "as we do not offer severance for performance-related termination", after acknowledging that it had been shown that my manager had done nothing to actually assess my performance in the PIP (I suppose their claim will be that the performance issues led to the PIP).

That's what I never get. Management ALWAYS sides with managers, no matter how toxic or illegal they act.

Whereas a terrible manager is worth their weight in radioactive drum of sludge. They will poison products, projects, AND people.

It's my belief that only when management IS the labor, will this be settled (worker cooperatives). Unions are only a band-aid to what amounts to arterial spray and broken bones.

Oof. I wonder if the outcome could have been different if someone from legal had been on the line. Hostile work environment, constructive dismissal, etc.