[t0b1]

> exotic things like take a screenshot

I'm not sure but is this meant ironically? Because taking a screenshot is a thing people do very often. Capturing your screen is, too. Even by third-party programs. And yet they never put it in the protocol but just said to go to dbus.

> GNOME, KDE, and wlroots have each implemented a different protocol

Is that true? My understanding was that GNOME never put forth a protocol but always did their dbus thing. I know that wlroots proposed a bunch of protocol extensions but those never went anywhere since, well, GNOME didn't want to implement them[1]. Nowadays I think every compositor(?) just implements the xdg-portal stuff.

[1]: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues/32#n...

[eadmund]

I think to the Wayland folks, anything other than using Windows is an exotic use case. They’re not entirely wrong, but if we wanted to use Windows, we … would be using Windows. The great thing about Linux was that we could do more than Windows or macOS permitted.

[jdiff]

Weird take. Windows and macOS both let you do things Wayland doesn't currently have widely adopted protocols for. Only thing Xorg can do that any of the others can't is let a client application manage windows, and it's only macOS that really doesn't like that.

[yjftsjthsd-h]

> I'm not sure but is this meant ironically? Because taking a screenshot is a thing people do very often.

Yes, I was intending to mock Wayland for failing, after 15 years of development, to have a single way of taking screenshots that works in all environments. I understand wanting to make things modular and flexible and make as much optional as possible[0], and I understand wanting to ship the core protocol first and then follow up with drafting other things and building consensus, but the fact that this thing was allowed to hit end-users with screenshots this broken - and that it still hasn't been fixed, and AIUI never will be fixed because GNOME seems to think that the situation doesn't need fixing - is a fairly damning incitement of Wayland as a whole.

> Is that true? My understanding was that GNOME never put forth a protocol but always did their dbus thing. I know that wlroots proposed a bunch of protocol extensions but those never went anywhere since, well, GNOME didn't want to implement them[1]. Nowadays I think every compositor(?) just implements the xdg-portal stuff.

I think it's true, though it's honestly hard to tell. Most of the screenshot tools I could find are using the wlroots protocol, KDE's official tool notes,

> Spectacle is a screenshot taking utility for the KDE desktop. Spectacle can also be used in non-KDE X11 desktop environments.

which doesn't really explicitly say much, and in fact the only tool I could find that claimed to be able to support everything was ksnip, which seems to work fine with wlroots but beyond that https://github.com/ksnip/ksnip#known-issues outlines the situation well enough; KDE is at least only temporarily broken, but GNOME isn't going to improve because GNOME did that on purpose. Now, that readme says you can use xdg-desktop-portal, but I have a GNOME+Wayland machine on hand, and I couldn't get it to actually work. I think what's supposed to happen is that every time I do a screenshot it prompts for permission, which I wanted to verify so I could complain that that was totally unreasonable, but what actually happens is that it just fails, which is... not better. Oh, and while searching for solutions to that I found flameshot, but that just refuses to even run. So... maybe someday the portal solution will work; in the meantime, I feel comfortable describing the situation as Wayland not having a uniform working way of taking screenshots.

[0] In particular, so we can avoid the situation from X11 where a load of drawing primitives are baked in that nobody has any use for anymore.