[whatwhaaaaat]

Absolutely amazing. Hey kids we’re not killing enough innocent civilians and as a result people are beginning to follow “dreadful” people like elon musk.

Do wars produce innovation? Sure. Is any of that innovation worth a single life? Bet ya wouldn’t think so if it was your loved one.

[tticvs]

"Hey kids, get ready to die because our society decided war is bad m'kay and now we don't have the ability to defend ourselves."

[whatwhaaaaat]

Not even close to the same thing. I’m fully prepared to defend myself in my own home. Multiple measures in place to insure specific boundaries are not crossed and if they are multiple methods to commit violence in defense of my family. Not sure how pillaging my neighbor for their underground orange juice would aid in that.

In fact I would argue unjustified war makes the citizens of the country waging the war even more vulnerable and not less.

You are not understanding the thread at all but not a huge shock at orange site.

User 1: we need war to facilitate “external work” and innovation.

User 2: innovation through war is true but is it worth the cost of innocent lives (ignoring the lmfao Elon comment)

Work on comprehending the conversation before adding drivel.

[Communitivity]

I hope I am not user 2. Innovation through war happens, but it happens faster if we focus on innovation itself. Also, the innovations that happen in war are predominantly weapon-focused.

It is good to be able to defend yourself. However, if you have a high belief that your neighbor will attack you, then it's a good idea to ask why. The answer is usually ideology or resource scarcity, more often resources or a combination.

If you solve the problem of scarcity of resources, then there is a much reduced desire for war. Climate change is going to make food and land more scarce, leading to more conflict. Population growth is going to do the same (though we're seeing some signs that might be self-limiting in some countries). If we poured into space colonization and climate change half the money each year we spend on defense, we'd stand a good chance at solving those problems. I don't have the math in front of me, but I think half would be about $500 billion per year, counting regular spending and special aid packages. That's 20x NASA's budget for next year, or put another way, 20 years of NASA research at current funding.

[matheusmoreira]

> I’m fully prepared to defend myself in my own home.

> Multiple measures in place to insure specific boundaries are not crossed

Who said anything about crossing boundaries? You realize you're talking about war, right? Enjoy your drone airstrike.

[whatwhaaaaat]

I was explaining the difference between self defense and offensive wars for the purpose of innovation, profit, and “external work”.

[tticvs]

Self-reflection test failed

[mc32]

First civilians aren’t always innocent, often they are active participants, out of necessity to survive, in war. Two, appeals to emotions don’t change the calculus of war on the level of a society. We are both individuals and a society. We have roles as both. People will go to war putting their own selves in harms way to protect ideals, family, whatever. Look at Ukraine. They could simply submit. Should they stop fighting? Rationally they should.

[whatwhaaaaat]

Is this ai generated?

[edgyquant]

Childish and idealistic mindset. Grow up

[DR_Hero]

Is this what passes for an adult and constructive comment to you?

Can you add something more substantial to the conversation