[ploum]

I’m also a paying user (and a fan) of Kagi. I’m still confused by the strategy. If you are not Google and trying to have an hegemony on the web, there’s no obvious link between a browser and a search engine. I don’t see the point from a business perspective. It sends a strange signal to users "Hey, by the way, we are reinventing the wheel and making also a browser that works only on some operating systems".

It’s a bit like going for groceries and then your merchant told you all the time "By the way, I’m selling this car prototype. It makes sense! You have to take your car anyway to comes shopping for groceries so why not buying the one from us?".

But I’m a cyclist…

[Ayesh]

> going for groceries...

I really this analogy. It feels weird especially when Google and Brave both have their own browser and ad programs, so it's in Kagi's favor to stay as far as possible from inventing their own browser.

[freediver]

Comment above address a part of the question https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38475154

Second part of the answer to your question is that you can not humanize the web (our stated mission) with just Search. The window to the web is the browser. It is the most important software we have on our computers and yet we are as a civilization somehow Ok with the fact that most mainstream browsers through which we inform and educate are directly or indirectly in the service of advertising companies (!).

If that is not dystopia, I am not sure what is. And that is what we are up against, even if the odds are against us.

Orion is the first browser in 20 years that you can pay for and own. Owning your browser is a thing again thanks to Orion!

It is also a great customer acqusition channel for Kagi, as we do not do advertising and many Kagi members told us this is how they found about the Search product.

Yes it is hard. Yes Orion only exists on Mac, because you have to start somewhere and we are a small team. But we will get there.

[Closi]

100%! There is more than enough to work on in the search engine space without getting distracted by other red oceans.

Is it just that the search engine doesn't make enough space or they are finding it isn't sticky enough, so need to add more services to justify the price? (e.g. email...)