[Spivak]

This is what sympathy strikes are, if you're a unionized commercial bakery who delivers to a unionized restaurant that's currently striking you don't go and strike against your own boss. That's silly. You refuse to cross the picket line and deliver goods and services to the business who's striking so they have a harder time operating.

That's like the entire point. They're so effective lots of places ban them which like... take that for what it's worth.

[stcredzero]

They're so effective lots of places ban them which like... take that for what it's worth.

In this case, they are violating consensuality. The Tesla workers don't want the collective agreement. The sympathy strikers are outsiders to the Tesla employee pool who are imposing the collective agreement on them.

Given this incident, I can understand why these are banned. It seems to have more to do with a political power play than it does worker's rights.

[emj]

Well it is an ideological battle by a US company acting in an work environment very much unlike what the US has. I do hope the unions manage to keep this going for a year or two.

[tuukkah]

At least some Tesla workers do want the collective agreement (without it, they have little protection against the whims of Elon).

[AnthonyMouse]

> without it, they have little protection against the whims of Elon

What stops them from quitting at any time, or not working for him to begin with?

[Hikikomori]

Nothing. Just like nothing stops the ones that do want a collection agreement as they work for Tesla and have join the union. There's no requirement for a majority wanting it or not.

[AnthonyMouse]

It's not a question of any majority. If you don't want to work for Elon then... just don't. There are many other employers. He can't force you to work for $2/hour regardless of whether or not there is any collective bargaining agreement when you could get more than that across the street.

[Hikikomori]

They are employees, members of a union, so the union has the right to demand a collective agreement. Tesla has the right to not sign it, but we have the right to strike enshrined in our constitution and sympathy strikes are legal.

[Spivak]

I'm curious about your views.

* Is there any place for government to have labor laws at all? Because that argument applies to everything from pay, nondiscrimination, and safety.

* Do you not see unions as a market force? Government generally does more to hinder unions than support them and the laws on the books in most countries are there so naive owners who didn't read their history don't do go and get themselves dragged out of their office by an angry mob.

[adolph]

live by the whim, die by the whim

maybe should follow their own whim