[stillwithit]

I for one feel no obligation to your existence; no need to provide you food, shelter, healthcare.

It would be government overreach to force such. Since I have no obligation to your existence itself, who cares what you have to say, or your philosophy? You’re just some pointless meat suit I have no responsibility to.

There you go; you got exactly the world you project you want.

[zooq_ai]

Government has no obligation for Food, Shelter and Healthcare.

They are their to basically provide security, insurance against calamities and proper enforcement of laws based on constitution.

[Timon3]

I strongly disagree. There are many groups in our society who shouldn't have to rely on charity for survival, like the disabled, the elderly and children. Letting those without the means to provide for themselves die if they're unlucky, even though our economy can support them, is a terrible thing and shouldn't be an acceptable point of view.

[zooq_ai]

That's exactly where the "Insurance" part comes in.

Any act of "god" where pure bad luck is involved, some central entity should absolutely take care of them.

However, Government should also not be in the business of prepping bad choices -- diet, family formation, bad lifestyle. Any society that is given unconditional support will degenerate

[Timon3]

> That's exactly where the "Insurance" part comes in.

How does that work for people who have never been able to work (i.e. chilren in bad households and people with disabilities from birth/young age)? They can't pay for membership, so why would a private insurance company insure them for free? What if all insurance companies happen to not accept them as customers?

> However, Government should also not be in the business of prepping bad choices -- diet, family formation, bad lifestyle. Any society that is given unconditional support will degenerate

How do you guarantee that no bad choices are propped up without letting individuals die due to missing coverage?

[zooq_ai]

Lots of children in bad households have made out to be ok, and plenty of children with well-off families.

Disabilities birth/young age is act of "god". It's perfectly fine to take care of them. However they only account 1-2% of the population.

Death due to Missing Coverage is overrated. All Emergency Units take in patients and most exaggerated medical bill people actually don't pay the said bill

[Timon3]

> Lots of children in bad households have made out to be ok, and plenty of children with well-off families.

And many of those children in bad households have been able to get where they are due to being helped by the state, which you do not want. So what do they do? Just die? If you don't give a concrete solution, that will be the outcome. Remember that we're talking about basic needs like food and shelter - a child can't do much about not having these available.

> Disabilities birth/young age is act of "god". It's perfectly fine to take care of them. However they only account 1-2% of the population.

Okay, then please explain to me what central entity should help these people, if it's not the state. As I previously said, what if all private insurance doesn't take these people on for free? What do they do except die?

> Death due to Missing Coverage is overrated. All Emergency Units take in patients and most exaggerated medical bill people actually don't pay the said bill

I am not solely talking about health insurance. You stated that you want to solve food and housing problems with similar insurance. Why would these private insurance companies give coverage to those who can't afford it? Please don't handwave this point away.

[stillwithit]

That’s true; we keep giving unconditional support to our Constitution based society and it’s a degenerate mess.

[cscurmudgeon]

Isn't this the world we live in? Taxes for the common good, but the government doesn't force you to work and doesn't force you to directly provide for others.

Well-intentioned but still moronic socialism/communist projects fail for a reason. They fail to understand scale and human psychology and the basics of economics.

[stillwithit]

Whole lot of capitalist projects fail. Moronic capitalism and all those failed startups, the resources wasted on them! Most new capitalist businesses fail in their first year! Morons everywhere!

Market of goods and services with prices determined by social behavior among buyers! Sounds like socialism!

I know language skills alone make it feel like yer smurt but when you go compose dumb logic, eh.