| >You forgot your links, but your EV vs ICE video was Geoff Buys Cars, who is very anti-EV Oops yes I did. Had them all lined up then forgot the C/P them when I got a call. Yes, He is Anti-EV (or more specifically anti-"modern vehicle" - where cars are treated like information gathering devices that also happen to let you go from A to B) but that's just a requirement for having a more balanced presentation of things. There ARE downsides to EV ownership (currently) that need to be fixed before they can be mainstream, but if you only watch the fully charged show, then everything is roses. Sure Geoff leans heavily into conspiracy theories which hurts his credibility but the result of the 'race' was pretty crystal clear - The public EV infrastructure away from Tesla superchargers is not fit for purpose (right now) or even as cheap as running an ICE car >He specifically architects these videos to make EVs fail for clicks Of course he does. That's the Youtube game now. But Lee was a 100% EVangelist on his channel prior to the 'race'. Are you saying Lee engineered the fail too? his Pro-EV channel now seems to have significantly reversed course in that regard. >Here is another one done with similar issues of cars sharing chargers Cool. But Tesla is the outlier. We can't just handwave the infrastructure problems away by saying "shoulda bought a Tesla". That's not a long term solution. Cars are often more emotional than that. People buy what they like, and if we all liked the same thing the world would be a boring place. >The usual cries are mostly right. They may be right but the solutions they propose aren't viable for all people. We are talking about a technology shift that has to be applicable to ALL people (eventually).
As I said in my post, Not everyone wants or even likes a Tesla. I personally will never have one, for a multitude of reasons, including that I just don't like (most of) them. And I'm not the only one. Home charging might be 3p/mile but generally only available to people with a driveway. That's probably less than 50% of households in the UK. There's a significant amount of terrace housing which if you're lucky you might have street parking in front of. So in that situation the only option is to wait for your local council to put charging options on your street furniture (given many councils are actually facing bankruptcy right now, I imagine it's not a priority right now) And that's even before we get onto mutli occupancy housing and blocks of flats. I'm not saying this all isn't insurmountable but the speed it needs to happen isn't anywhere near the speed it's actually happening (I'm only seeing small scale trials for street charging appearing in my news feed but no great push from government to make it happen more widespread) > But this isn’t a representative journey really for most people. No, but when you might be a family with just one car, that has to do everything, sometimes you have to do long journeys up the country. They may even be somewhat unplanned ("Hey, your elderly father has taken a sudden turn, is in the hospital and may not make it through the night." while he's in Yorkshire and you're in Cornwall. Not Land's End to John o'Groats but still a significant journey that would cause problems for a lot of EV's) The point is these problems exist. Similar problems exist for ICE cars but they have been mitigated down to minimal thanks to the maturity of the infrastructure. The EV infrastructure is still in it's infancy yet the EV ownership is in its adolescence. The infrastructure HAS to catch up, without the answer being "buy a Tesla" >The insurance thing seems to also have been clickbait Anecdata but I had a look on autotrader and a second hand Leaf is 10 insurance groups higher than a comparable second hand civic. Only one data point, I know, and isn't an actual quote but is a snapshot of similar things I've seen over the course of my recent research. BTW I said before, I'm Anti EV but that was a typo I meant NOT anti EV and public transport. In fact I think an EV would suit my family extremely well. We have off street parking, our trips are > 99% local, my commute is only 10 miles and most of our typical driving is contained within a 30 mile radius of the house. We do have regular planned trips to parental homes which are >200 miles away but happen infrequently enough to be workaround-able. The only reason we haven't is the cost - the purchase price isn't compatible with our finances right now (and some minor concerns with the battery chemistry stability...) and the cost saving numbers don't stack up. |