[realusername]

> Not everybody in the EU, even though in my country (France) we do. However, how is this related at all to the discussion at hand? They are not even related to software copyrights at all! (For which there is already an exception for personal copies, and for which official we pay nothing).

That's exactly where this exception is coming from. You can't make personal copies nowaydays without breaking some kind of DRM and that's why there's an interoperability exception.

France is indeed one of the worst in this racket but most of the EU has similar implementations.

> This world where software copyright does not exist is not an utopia of free source code, it's a wild wild west of obfuscated and/or inaccessible software and the company with largest pockets has the monopoly since it can do whatever it wants.

Well that's exactly where we at now, I'm writing this comment from a phone which has thousands of piles of obfuscated inaccessible and non modifiable software. Copyright is what led us there.

[AshamedCaptain]

> That's exactly where this exception is coming from. You can't make personal copies nowaydays without breaking some kind of DRM and that's why there's an interoperability exception.

I have already addressed the interoperability exception a couple messages before. In no way it just basically makes all copyright protections pointless by allowing you to claim "OK, now I can decompile this software and distribute it as I please!".

> Well that's exactly where we at now, I'm writing this comment from a phone which has thousands of piles of obfuscated inaccessible and non modifiable software. Copyright is what led us there.

Hardly. Copyright doesn't necessarily prevent nor make tivoization easier. The GPLv3 (or some new, specific legislation to this end) are the only things that would successfully prevent tivoitzation.

[realusername]

> In no way it just basically makes all copyright protections pointless by allowing you to claim "OK, now I can decompile this software and distribute it as I please!".

I've never claimed that but it also goes further than the conglomerates would make you believe.

> Hardly. Copyright doesn't necessarily prevent nor make tivoization easier. The GPLv3 (or some new, specific legislation to this end) are the only things that would successfully prevent tivoitzation.

While its true that open devices and software are possible under copyright laws, it's more of a hack and clearly not the default.

I don't know how you would call a law to force opening up the sources of software but it's incompatible with the copyright concept, that's for sure.