[proudeu]

Agree, it is crazy how Americans are falling for Israeli propaganda. I dont even mean evangelical crazies but also normal human beings who I talked to seem to still view Israel as a democratic state that has right to commit genocide. In Europe it is way less common to support Israeli crimes now, even my baby boomer colleagues are more pro Palestine than before.

[ImAnAmateur]

This article is equally applicable to the 2016 and 2020 US elections. If the current wars are too hot to discuss, then pick something from years back. You both are going off topic with this. Please don't interpret this reply as a put-down.

[stackedinserter]

To which propaganda? Hamas shoots rockets on civilian cities and murdered hundreds on 7/10 and keep hostages – this is true, and many of us know it for sure. I know it because my relatives live there, and one of them was on that damn rave party.

We saw these video when Gaza celebrated 7/10 murders – is it "Israeli propaganda"? Or maybe elimination of Israel in Hamas charter is?

Americans not "falling for propaganda", we just can differentiate between good and evil.

[archagon]

I’m sorry your relatives were affected by Hamas terrorism. I hope they all made/make it out unscathed.

I also saw plenty of people (on Reddit, etc.) celebrating the bombing of Gaza, including incidents where innocent civilians were killed, or were certainly going to get killed. (Because “they all support Hamas anyway.”) Nothing about a group of people in Gaza celebrating terror makes them monsters or even especially unique. Unfortunately, once an enemy is sufficiently dehumanized, we are all susceptible to this sort of behavior.

[viro]

Attacking a nation state that attacked you first isn't committing genocide. Its also funny that you think the EU(the world champs at enslaving and colonizing the world) has some how evolved past the same shit they literally did in the 90's.

[watwut]

Genocide is defined by intention to remove population or preventing their breeding. It has nothing to with who attacked who first or whether something ia nation state or not.

EU as in European Union came to be long after colonization and have member states that were colonies of someone else.

[yostrovs]

Did France give up its colonies already? Minister of the Interior and Overseas Territories is a title in France. What about the Dutch? Those don't count, I'm guessing, because the colonies have been subdued and don't show up in the news feed.

[watwut]

So basically, EU did not actively enslaved or colonized anything. But, past colonies of some EU member states mean that there can not be genocide anywhere outside of Europe.

[rascul]

I'm not saying it is or isn't genocide, but if Hamas attacked Israel first then you're ignoring something like 75 years of the conflict.

[viro]

Are we going to go all the way back to the partition of the Ottoman Empire? I think i might agree with you we should give all the land back to Turkey aka NATO.

[rascul]

The current conflict has been going on for about 75 years. To ignore that and just focus on what happened last month is disingenuous at best.

Where did you get the idea that I want to give land to Turkey?

[viro]

the Ottoman empire is also known as the Turkish empire. it was Turkeys land that was "stolen". Partitioning post empires can get messy.

[rascul]

Yes, I'm aware of that. I never once said or implied anything about giving any land to anyone.

I'm actually of the opinion that both groups need to figure out how to live together peacefully instead of fighting each other. It seems quite unlikely that will ever happen. There's too much hate on both sides.

[kiwikan]

downvoted for speaking the truth

[kiwikan]

killing thousands of children deliberately is genocide

[bluecheese452]

It is not. That is not what genocide means.

[TillE]

"It's not genocide, it's just mass-scale war crimes" is a soulless pedantic argument that that convinces no one, and ignores numerous statements of intent from Israeli ministers, politicians, and military leaders.

[bluecheese452]

What am I trying to convince you of?

[bdhcuidbebe]

Since you are not educated in the conflict, respectfully stfu.

[viro]

could you explain the Jaffa riots or the 1929 riots to me? Since I'm sooo uneducated. Or shit the Black Hand org... you know the one that called for jihad against immigrants.

[Pigalowda]

“Falling for Israeli propaganda”?

The western liberal sentiment is irrelevant. They cared about the Uighurs, Kashmere, Hong Kong, and Ukraine for upvotes, shares, and likes. When those didn’t generate enough interest they moved on. Hamas is their new shiny bauble.

The Gaza strip will be completely leveled. A bunch of noise on the internet will not change that. There will be a new topic in less a years time. We shall see what it is.

[AnimalMuppet]

> There will be a new topic in less a years time. We shall see what it is.

I can tell you already. The 2024 election.