[atoav]

Nowhere did I say it was about serious intellectual positions. That is why I specifically made the distinction between regular people and academics.

Also it feel funny to be called a westerner based on a city that is actually a 6 hour car drive from where I grew up. And I grew up next to a couple that fled the war, he was a Serb, she was a Bosnian. My parents took them in and gave them our cellar, he got a job at my fathers company (and works there to this day).

[mantas]

I didn't call you a westerner. I said that in my experience a lot of regular westerners still believe in that myth. And that this crowd is closer to Cafe crowd.

As for „serious intelectual position“ as a split between academia and regular crowd, I'd argue that many people in academia today are con artists at best. And boy do they have end-of-history-ish views. But yes, that's not „serious intelectual position“.