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by clnq 942 days ago
Generally, not good. Many SWEs in games want to leave for cheaper countries or countries with better pay (US). Our salaries are low, but we don’t have a good social safety net to show for it (i.e. our public healthcare is practically inaccessible due to wait times in hospitals, and public dental — forget about it). So it’s a raw deal.

I don’t think about how people on average salaries live. Or people with kids, or both. It is too depressing of a thought. One third of kids now live in poverty, more than one in five adults — a better stat thanks in part to professional DINK couples threading water. Poverty is below paycheck-to-paycheck.

There are no clear prospects for things improving. No meaningful political action. See BBC, Guardian, etc for what the government is concerned about instead. There’s no point turning this into a political discussion and beating the proverbial dead horse.

Upskilling and migrating into more well paid jobs is hard. If you didn’t have enough time to study outside of work before, now with the CPI rising and your real wage dropping, you have even less time.

Even if it sounds grim, people are finding individual solutions, like leaving.

The last two years in the games industry has seen a lot of attrition just from people becoming unable to sustain their lifestyles in the UK. And a lot of these people are exceptionally skilled 10+ years of exp professionals, and very driven, so they deserve at least an average lifestyle.

What is going on thanks to Brexit and all that is an injustice to them. And good on them for looking out for themselves first. Whenever a colleague leaves for a better life elsewhere, I am happy.

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Probably the most accurate description of what’s happening in the uk.

On your final paragraph, I can confirm that pay in east europe, and the standard of living, are higher. I am in the uk but have links there and people just dont understand how someone can work in the uk in tech an not afford a property or a family, whereas in east european countries that’s the norm. While it is not my case, I can absolutely tell that my peers in that region of the world are better off than i am, and by british standards i am pretty good.

The irony of brexit is that somehow karma is turning the uk in that which it despised.

The potholes in roads, failing health care, rising poverty, increasing government corruption and an ever increasing mass of people demanding dubious political action, makes me think the culture of the uk has seriously regressed in that it can’t sustain itself.

There is almost no company that has provided a service without more than minor issues in the past couple of years and thats alarming.

I frequently read stats about various uk institutions, such as hospitals or schools and they all have official good and outstanding reviews while google and other review sites show a very grim reality. This means the uk is faking statistics to appear better than it is.

I am extremely worried about the country. I dont think it will exist for long and it will split into its historical regions.

Would splitting into regions make things better or worse? It feels like the US it’s going the same way but we’re a couple decades behind you
I don't know what to think about splitting into regions. Personally I wouldn't want that to happen because I think it would be worse, but I am biased as I am strongly against tribalism - ie I wanted a united states of europe and closer ties with the US, Canada, NZ, Australia and all aligned countries. The only logical defense for things to come is in my view closer ties and unity. It worked during the last cold war, it should work now, but as challenges are growing I think what we have in place should be further galvanised.

What I am worried instead about is increasing authoritariasm on both sides of the political spectrum taking places in all western and western alined countries, which may lead to further fragmentation and further encouragement of our foes.

A topic on the US and you managed to turn it into a diatribe about the UK...
Uh, the first post of this thread specifically asked about the UK. People are talking about the UK under a comment asking about the UK.
First post is by the same person? They also made the leading statement ...