[teaearlgraycold]

Even in my “I quit Google” post I was careful to make it impossible for an outsider to determine who I was complaining about, even scrubbing my team info from LinkedIn.

But I think 18 years at Google means the author has plenty of “fuck you” money.

[mmkos]

Oh well. Maybe it's about time incompetent people were named and shamed, maybe that would put a stop to failing upwards for people who really shouldn't be there.

[concordDance]

Once it becomes acceptable I expect the correlation between people naming and shaming and actual poor performance/bad behaviour to drop drastically.

Proper workers aren't as good at playing politics as those who just focus on politics.

[pas]

there would at least be some data, probably noisy, gamed, a bad proxy for this signal, but much better than the current empty void littered with courtesy linkedin endorsements

[emodendroket]

Sign up for Glassdoor, and you will find by-name denunciations of people who work at any company you care to interview for.

[emodendroket]

It's doubtful.

[caskstrength]

> But I think 18 years at Google means the author has plenty of “fuck you” money.

And the balls! Dunno whether I read your generic "why I quit Google" essay, but author's post was the first that I liked due to his willingness to throw punches.

[emodendroket]

You are probably right; I just don't really see what's to be gained by going public with it considering the complaints are pretty inside-baseball and not that interesting to outsiders (I mean, hard to imagine someone thinking "I'm not going to deal with Google because so-and-so's subordinates say they don't understand her strategy").

[hn_throwaway_99]

> I mean, hard to imagine someone thinking "I'm not going to deal with Google because so-and-so's subordinates say they don't understand her strategy"

I'm not quite there, but as a heavy Firebase user who generally loves the product but who has been incredibly frustrated with a lot of the (lack of) direction of new features over the past 4 years or so, reading this post made me think "Ohhh, now it makes sense."

That is, there are basic, presumably easy-to-implement, features that have languished for years in Firebase. Part of me has wanted to go interview with Firebase just so I can get hired to fix some obvious missing feature. Now, granted, it's obviously impossible to pin this directly on this manager, and this is also a Google-wide problem, but I think the author's point is that a lot of this "directionless-ness" is a result of poor middle management.

[teaearlgraycold]

Once I got inside Google it wasn’t long until I had the “Aha moment” and understood why Google’s new products are in turmoil.

[Capricorn2481]

I will certainly not use Dart if a person in charge of its direction doesn't know what they're doing even at a basic level. I can't just blindly hope her team does what's best and doesn't listen to her.

[henrytill]

I found myself asking the same questions after reading the post.

You might consider reading the followup post: https://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1700627532&count=1

It suggests that, in spite of his problems with management, the author remains bullish about Flutter (and likely Dart).

[emodendroket]

It'd be hard to find an org where you couldn't find someone to make similar complaints.

[Capricorn2481]

I'm in one. This is a pretty specific dressing down from a senior engineer. It's disturbing, and consistent with Google's output

[thrownaway9739]

The Dart team certainly has vision!

The VP above might not, but who cares...

[teaearlgraycold]

It’s just venting. A person in the author’s position must feel that the mediocre management robbed them of a core part of their identity.

[sage76]

You are implying that every manager is competent and every criticism from a subordinate is baseless.

[teaearlgraycold]

Not at all. This is a false dichotomy