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by bumby 944 days ago
Tort/civil lawsuits are about being "made whole." Criminal lawsuits are not because they represent crimes against the state/society.
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> Tort/civil lawsuits are about being "made whole."

Only at the “modelling a cow as a perfectly thermoconducting sphere” level of analysis.

Actual damages and preliminary injunctions to preserve a situation remediable by damages are about that, other parts of what happens in civil cases are often not. E.g., punitive damages are, as the name suggests, punitive, not compensatory.

I'm unsure I follow your "modeling as a cow" analogy. Usually, that's used to show the model does not adequately reflect reality. But that doesn't hold in tort cases. Compensatory damages are the majority, by a considerable margin. According to DOJ data[1]:

- Punitive damages were awarded in only 5% of trials where the plaintiff won

- It was lower for tort cases (3%) and higher for contract cases (8%)

- It is lower in product liability and medical cases (1% each)

Those findings show that the punitive damages awarded are both relatively rare and modest. A "spherical cow model" based on compensatory damages is probably still a very good model.

[1] https://www.centerjd.org/content/fact-sheet-punitive-damages...

Thing is, prosecutors don't want to waste their time. Someone who made whole those who lost money or other assets (or at least made a credible effort to do so) gets lower priority and lower sentencing over someone who just sharts on laws.
The state also brings civil actions that are not about damages or being made whole. See the ongoing business fraud case in NY against Trump.
That one is because Trump didn't make whole anyone across his career. Not the IRS, not his creditors, not the countless people he and his various enterprises stiffed (e.g. the tradespeople who worked on the casinos [1][2]).

There's so many people who Trump and his various enterprises left stuck with sometimes very huge bills that it's a miracle he didn't get dinged years ago. And that is why Trump is being on the receiving end of the stick at the moment... he forgot one crucial point: never make too many enemies in life because eventually they will team up to get their revenge on you.

[1] https://eu.northjersey.com/story/news/columnists/mike-kelly/...

[2] https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/0...

The big question is whether he will plead guilty and/or the judge will convict him.

In US, you can be rich and get away with a lot of crime and crookedness.

If Trump does go to prison, that will make quite the news.

Putin and Xinping will be laughing because they have such a strong hold on their countries, them going to jail is unthinkable.

> Putin and Xinping will be laughing because they have such a strong hold on their countries, them going to jail is unthinkable.

That’s one way to look at it. Another way is to note that they’ve done a real good job of limiting their potential future options. They get to remain in power, or be exiled and live in hiding, or be dead? They’re unlikely to resign and get to live a quiet retirement, just as they’re unlikely to be jailed by their opponents?