[johnfn]

Agreed with everything, except this:

> I really wish the Node, Typescript, Deno/Bun, and maybe some bundler people would come together and figure out how to make this easier for people.

Bun has solved this. Bun is straight-up magic; they've implemented tons of hacks and heuristics so everything just works. Bun can even handle ridiculous or otherwise invalid code, like having import and require in the same file.

[AntonCTO]

Unfortunately, bun is unusable due to a myriad of bugs. I closely monitor every bun release, hoping it will function well beyond simple node use cases. The idea is amazing, and I would love to switch to bun, but looking at the issues - no, not yet. How can I trust bun to be a secure runtime with all these bugs?

[johnfn]

Which bugs are you referring to? Every runtime has bugs in the issue tracker; you'll have to be more specific than that.

[AntonCTO]

I ran into all types of bugs, including segfaults and incompatibilities with node. After encountering bundler bugs like https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues/6168 and https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues/4216, I stopped finding workarounds to get bun working.

[madeofpalk]

My point here is that Bun should go teach Node how to be pragmatic and build a good developer experience

[johnfn]

Oh, yeah, totally agreed then.

[yencabulator]

> tons of hacks and heuristics

So, business as usual in the Javascript space. That's how the ecosystem got here, and why nothing works reliably.

[johnfn]

Like I said in my comment, Bun works just fine. You seem to have taken 5 words I said out of context to justify something that I didn't say. It's not true that "nothing works reliably". Bun works reliably.

[edgyquant]

I’ve never heard of bun before today. Why is it so low key and what’s it main selling point?

[flockonus]

let me HN it for you - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=tru...

[johnfn]

It's a pretty recent development in the frontend landscape. Its main selling point is a fabulous developer experience. That and, like I said, combing over the ESM mess and basically Just Working (TM).

[kristiandupont]

What are your main sources of tech news? Bun has been quite a darling here for a while..

[phatskat]

My own primary news source these days is HN and I’ve missed anything about it, your comment isn’t really helpful.

[mardef]

Bun has solved this, unless you have developers on Windows.

[kaliqt]

How hard would it be to migrate a node project to Bun though? I want to move, but I'm not sure.

[AntonCTO]

TL;DR: It is too buggy.

I tried it and ran into many issues. For example:

- Incompatibility of transpiled artifacts with the Node runtime (many bugs were fixed, but I haven't tried again). I don't trust bun as a runtime.

- Broken monorepo support.

- No direct react support; you still need react-scripts/webpack/whatever. They have documentation on transpiling react, but it isn't the same.

- No type checking, as with many other tools.

Also, filter their issue tracker for bugs: https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen...

[johnfn]

Should be a drop-in replacement.