[pelorat]

Reasoning is a learnt concept that involves retrieving memories and running them though an algorithm, also retrieved from memory, and then you loop the process until a classifier deems the result to be adequate to the given goal.

[sharemywin]

I asked GPT 4 and it had some counter points:

Reasoning blends learned skills and natural cognition. It integrates new information, not just past memories. Reasoning is adaptable, not rigidly algorithmic. Emotions and context also shape reasoning.

which seemed to make sense.

[avion23]

I hope this will be found in history books and some students will point the irony that people are relying on gpt4's arguments about reasoning in a thread where it's proclaimed that said model can't reason

[nuancebydefault]

In fact it is not absurd or weird. The model does not need to be capable of x/reasoning to produce knowledge about x/reasoning. A book with a chapter on x/reasoning doesn't reason either.