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by oldgradstudent 946 days ago
It's not just hiding the video. It was mainly the content of that video.

And then we had all the other leaks.

That they couldn't reliably distinguish children from adults, making them (even by their overly optimistic models) more dangerous to children than humans - which is why they started operating mostly at night, when there are few children.

And then it was reported they had 1.5 employees per car in operations, requiring support every 2-5 miles. Very surprising given that they've reported a disengagement every 95,000 miles last year.

Cruise was a company that could not withstand transparency.
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jacquesm 946 days ago
> And then it was reported they had 1.5 employees per car in operations, requiring support every 2-5 miles. Very surprising given that they've reported a disengagement every 95,000 miles last year.

If true that alone should have disqualified them from being street legal.

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SR2Z 946 days ago
"Support every 2-5 miles" = having a human on standby to deal with a situation that might soon require human intervention. According to Kyle, speaking as himself on HN, most of these support events don't result in the remote operator doing _anything_.
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oldgradstudent 945 days ago
> most of these support events don't result in the remote operator doing _anything_

That's a utterly ridiculous statistic. If you need a human to monitor to prevent a bad result, it doesn't matter how often the human has to intervene.

For example: With Tesla Autopilot, the driver doesn't have to do anything the vast majority of the time. Still, your life expectancy will be measured in days if you don't monitor it.

Even if the vehicle makes completely random decisions when faced with a binary code, you could still say that 50% of the support events don't result in the remote operator doing anything.

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SR2Z 945 days ago
This is not "human monitor or the car crashes." This is "human monitor or the car might do a safe stop and block traffic."

A human driver can easily get away with the latter, and often do. A self-driving car can't, because people hold them to higher standards.

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oldgradstudent 945 days ago
> This is "human monitor or the car might do a safe stop and block traffic."

And they need all those people because their software cannot reliably handle it itself.

Otherwise they would not used so many people.

> A human driver can easily get away with the latter, and often do. A self-driving car can't, because people hold them to higher standards.

LOL. They've been blocking streets all over the place.

https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/30/cruise-robotaxis-blocked-t...

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SR2Z 944 days ago
Yeah, and unlike humans who double park, people lose their minds at an AV, hence why the company increased the number of operators.

They're also overstaffed to deal with surges - I recommend you go read the (ex) CEO's response to these claims. As the number of cars on the road goes up, the number of employees required to deal with surges increases more slowly. At some point the ratio increases from 1:20, which is where it's already at.

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jacquesm 945 days ago
The level of trust in the product on display is astounding. And that got shipped?
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