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by rhelz 945 days ago
Thanks for digging out that definition. Alas, the author has inadvertently presupposed the existence of agents with free will by the very way they phrased it. Let me try to explain, without creating too much of a wall of text.

For one thing, it uses the language of cause and effect. Bertrand Russell was the first to point this out: the language of cause and effect is not the language which physicists use to describe reality. Consider F=ma. You might be tempted to say that the force is causing the mass m to accelerate at a rate of a; after all, if I were to vary the force, I will vary the acceleration. But if you vary the mass you'll vary the acceleration too: is the mass the cause of the acceleration?

And notice what was just said: "if I were to vary the force..." i.e. you have introduced an agent. And you have spoken counter-factually about this agent: the agent could have chosen to vary or not to vary the force. I.e. using the language of cause and effect presupposes that an agent is the cause, and has the choice to cause or not to cause. Using the language of cause and effect to describe a physical situation is ultimately an anthropomorphisation.

Cause and effect are part of what Dennet calls "the intensional stance" i.e. the language and vocabulary which we are forced to use when describing the behavior of intensional agents. In order to at all make an intensional agent's behavior understandable, we have to treat them as uncaused causers. When courting a spouse, or raising children, you quickly learn that people cannot be treated as deterministic, stimulus-response mechanism. You have to presuppose that they can freely choose how to react to you.

The question of whether or not we have free will is therefore, not a question of whether we have to presuppose that we have free will; we do. Its just a question of whether the language of the intentional stance is merely a useful heuristic.

But arguing against free will by invoking the language of cause and effect, as the above definition does, is a category mistake, akin to arguing that 1 + 1 can't equal 2, because green + green equals green.

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> Alas, the author has inadvertently presupposed the existence of agents with free will

The existence of agents, not the existence of free will.

> For one thing, it uses the language of cause and effect ... is the mass the cause of the acceleration?

Completely irrelevant.

> In order to at all make an intensional agent's behavior understandable, we have to treat them as uncaused causers.

Since your argument feels like 'language games' in places, let me play one too: "We have to treat x as y" strongly implies that x is not y, but it's useful to pretend that it is.

> And you have spoken counter-factually about this agent: the agent could have chosen to vary or not to vary the force.

"Could have chosen" is like a coin which "could land on one side or the other". Not knowing the outcome of the coin flip is no reason to suggest the coin had a choice. Likewise with more complicated devices. From simple open-source programs, to programs whose source code you can't see, to a set of pre-trained weights embedded in an LLM mimicking neurons, to neurons themselves, automata become harder and harder to predict, but there's no cutoff after which an input-output device becomes qualitatively different. We are soggy meat responding to measurable electrical signals.

> But arguing against free will by invoking the language of cause and effect, as the above definition does, is a category mistake

If not cause-and-effect, what exactly do you propose 'free will' is 'free' from?

Sorry, it's hard to get across a very subtle point without making a wall of text. Can I refer you to my youtube playlist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztKlsAXBtE&list=PL2A800505A... where I have a series of short lectures laying out my position?