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by 2OEH8eoCRo0 948 days ago
> if your tone or language is negative it will give the impression that you are a negative person.

I had this backfire. I left a job after dealing with toxic and personal BS and passed all my interviews at a great company. Then came the personal references where one must be my previous manager. My previous manager trashed me and gave me a bad reference and I didn't get the job.

In the future I didn't hold back on why I left and got the next job.
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dharmab 948 days ago
In the US, the only information required to be given by a previous employer is time of employment, role, and whether the person is eligible for rehire. Reputable companies will ask and provide strictly this information only, to reduce their liability.
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milesskorpen 948 days ago
This is not accurate across the board. References (inc. back channel references) are common for companies that take hiring very seriously.
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rossdavidh 947 days ago
Many organizations forbid providing references, but then this policy is hard to enforce. It is weird to be asked for a reference from your current employer, though.
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dhimes 948 days ago
Good context. The point GP was making was that toxic manager went out of their way to trash them.
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wahnfrieden 948 days ago
Vindictive bosses/owners will do as they please
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jacquesm 948 days ago
They will, but some of that is actionable.
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chiefalchemist 948 days ago
My stock answer for leaving is "too low of a ceiling". That's usually a combo of "management and leadership sucks" and "there's no future or upward career path for me". I might add "I'm looking for a place where being put in a position that leads to success is the rule not the exception." Or something like. I mean "I love where I am" doesn't square with looking to leave, does it?

I'm an East Coast straight shooter and I feel that's enough to get my point across and let them know what my expectations and intentions are. If they're also running a shit show they'll put one and one together and figure out I'm not a good fit. If they're ligit they'll appreciate the toned down honesty.

At least that's what I hope for sone shit shows don't seem to recognize that. It's Dunning Krueger at the organizational level. Frustrating.

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