[IshKebab]

Some humans created maths. And it took thousands of years of thinking and interaction with the real world.

Seems like goalpost moving to me.

I think the real things that separate LLMs from humans at the moment are:

* Humans can do online learning. They have long term memory. I guess you could equate evolution to the training phase of AI but it still seems like they don't have quite the same on-line learning capabilities as us. This is what probably prevents them from doing things like inventing maths.

* They seem to be incapable of saying "I don't know". Ok to be fair lots of humans struggle with this! I'm sure this will be solved fairly soon though.

* They don't have a survival instinct that drives proactive action. Sure you can tell them what to do but that doesn't seem quite the same.

[naveen99]

Interestingly some humans will admit to not knowing but are allergic to admitting being wrong (and can get fairly vindictive if forced to admit being wrong).

LLM’s actually admit to being wrong easily, but aren’t great at introspection and confabulate too often. also their Meta cognition is poor still.

[IshKebab]

I guess LLM's don't have the social pressure to avoid admitting errors. And those sort of interactions aren't common in text so they don't learn them strongly.

Also ChatGPT is trained specifically to be helpful and subservient.

[civilized]

About this goalpost moving thing. It's become very popular to say this, but I have no idea what it's supposed to mean. It's like a metaphor with no underlying reality.

Did a wise arbiter of truth set up goalposts that I moved? I guess I didn't get the memo.

If the implied claim is "GPT would invent math too given enough time", go ahead and make that claim.

[IshKebab]

> Did a wise arbiter of truth set up goalposts that I moved?

Collectively, yes. The criticism of AI has always been "well it isn't AI because it can't do [thing just beyond its abilities].

Maybe individually your goalpost hasn't moved, and as soon as it invents some maths you'll say "yep, it's intelligent" (though I strongly doubt it). But collectively the naysayers in general will find another reason why it's not really intelligent. Not like us.

It's very tedious.

[civilized]

Other than complaining about perceived inconsistencies in others' positions, what do you actually believe? Do you think GPT is AGI?

[IshKebab]

No. I don't think anyone seriously believes that. AGI requires human level reasoning and it hasn't achieved that, despite what benchmarks show (they tend to focus on "how many did it get right" more than "how many did it fail in stupid ways").

The issue with most criticism of LLMs wrt AGI is that they come up with totally bogus reasons why it isn't and can't ever be real intelligence.

It's just predicting the next word. It's a stochastic parrot. It's only repeating stuff it has been trained on. It doesn't have quantum microtubules. It can't really reason. It has some failure modes that humans don't. It can't do <some difficult task that most humans can't do>.

Seems to be mostly people feeling threatened. Very tedious.