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by abemiller
946 days ago
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I don't think it's fair for you to claim a leading AI expert has critically wrong assumptions when "musing" about possibilities that relate to one of the most epistemologically difficult topics to investigate (consciousness). You're rejecting Ilya's humble musings as having critically wrong assumptions, and then turning around to definitively explain how consciousness arises, and illuminating the relationship between consciousness, empathy, and intelligence, on a random hacker news thread. Frankly, you're making some huge claims about philosophy of mind that don't obviously track for me, and you provide no citations or arguments to support. I hesitate to accuse you of "hallucinating facts", but when you're issuing a takedown of one of the top AI experts I'd expect to see some more supporting argument. Your definition of AGI is also a bit strange as it requires that it be fundamentally different from existing natural intelligences, if I understand correctly. That seems unnecessarily stringent to me, since if a program had the same kind and level of intelligence as me, I'd be inclined to say it is AGI. I'm just not sure where all these confidently stated, very specific claims are coming from. |
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My thinking is based on the Attention-Schema theory of consciousness (AST), by Michael Graziano. His book “Consciousness and the Social Brain” is, I believe, the right roadmap for AGI. AST is basically a variant of the Global Workspace theory of consciousness, distinguished by its deterministic account of the mechanics and utility of consciousness.
“The Consciousness Prior” by Bengio also informs my thinking.
I’m not certain that I can point to anyone that has been as explicit as I have that phenomenological consciousness is a prerequisite for intelligence, but all the cookie crumbs are there for anyone interested in following the trail.
One correction to what you wrote — I’m explicitly saying that AGI will be fundamentally the same as existing biological intelligence, in that intelligence resides only in consciousness, and consciousness remains consciousness regardless of being biological or artificial. My point was that no currently existing DL models are generally intelligent.