[DonHopkins]

Because he was incorrectly nitpicking himself, and was wrong to call somebody else a revisionist without citing any proof, while he was factually incorrect himself, and offering an appeal to authority of himself as a writer and "random Gtkmm contributor" instead. I too have lots of strong opinions about GTK, GNOME, and GIMP, so I am happy for the opportunity to write them up, summarize them, and share them.

You'll have to read the rest of the comment and follow the links to know what it says, because I already wrote and summarized it, and don't want to write it again just for you, because I don't believe you'd read it a second time if you didn't read it the first time. Just use ChatGPT, dude.

Then you will see that it has a lot to do with GTK and GNOME and GIMP, even including exclusive photos of Miguel de Icaza and his mom with a garden gnome flipping the bird.

[pjmlp]

Oopsie I touched a nerve.

[DonHopkins]

You HAD to mention MOTIF! ;) There's a reason I call it BLOATIF and SLOWTIF...

https://donhopkins.medium.com/the-x-windows-disaster-128d398...

>The Motif Self-Abuse Kit

>X gave Unix vendors something they had professed to want for years: a standard that allowed programs built for different computers to interoperate. But it didn’t give them enough. X gave programmers a way to display windows and pixels, but it didn’t speak to buttons, menus, scroll bars, or any of the other necessary elements of a graphical user interface. Programmers invented their own. Soon the Unix community had six or so different interface standards. A bunch of people who hadn’t written 10 lines of code in as many years set up shop in a brick building in Cambridge, Massachusetts, that was the former home of a failed computer company and came up with a “solution:” the Open Software Foundation’s Motif.

>What Motif does is make Unix slow. Real slow. A stated design goal of Motif was to give the X Window System the window management capabilities of HP’s circa-1988 window manager and the visual elegance of Microsoft Windows. We kid you not.

>Recipe for disaster: start with the Microsoft Windows metaphor, which was designed and hand coded in assembler. Build something on top of three or four layers of X to look like Windows. Call it “Motif.” Now put two 486 boxes side by side, one running Windows and one running Unix/Motif. Watch one crawl. Watch it wither. Watch it drop faster than the putsch in Russia. Motif can’t compete with the Macintosh OS or with DOS/Windows as a delivery platform.

[anthk]

Motif today isn't that bad compared to the bloat of GTK4. Today's '486' in the era of Pentium 3's would be an Atom netbook. EMWM (enhanced MWM) + XFile flies. I quickly hacked NNTP auth support through some quick code and an Xresources value for NCSA Mosaic. Yes, that one.

Also, you get XFT and UTF-8 support thru fontconfig and XFT on every Motif based software. Far from the propietary Motif of 1996...

Compare it to Gnome and dconf...

[DonHopkins]

Motif is only free if your time is worthless. ;)