[andirk]

Might as well add LOC as a metric. Both can mean the person is extremely inefficient, over-engineering everything, and their eyes are begging for a break.

However! The best engineers I've been around do work a lot and they like it.

[Xenoamorphous]

I’m not sure why it’s seen as ok to work 100 hours per week, or even glorified.

If instead of work it was something else it would be seen as a problem. 100 hours per week doesn’t leave room for anything else other than basic human needs.

“They like it”, well all addicts like what they’re addicted to, it doesn’t mean it’s healthy.

[mr_mitm]

Agreed. "I like it" might also just mean "I can't bear being alone with my thoughts" or "I can't deal with life and need the distraction". Not that that's always the case, it's probably more often than not in these situations and should be seen as a hint that there might be more going on.

[andirk]

I think a lot of addicts despise their addiction. Exceptions are the few highly acceptable addictions in society such as coffee. Nonetheless, doing anything in excess can be detrimental to one's health and livelihood and should be kept in checked, monitored.

OK now back to my 12 hour day. Not burnt out yet so I'm going to keep going. And yes, I LIKE IT!

[infecto]

When you are a founder and working in a company doing bleeding edge it’s easy to work lots of hours. Maybe it’s not the kind of environment for you but others thrive in it. Lots of high demand type roles out unrelated to engineering that also have large hour workloads and compensate exceptionally well.

[Xenoamorphous]

What do those people want the compensation for? To sleep on a mansion and back to work? Assuming they leave the office.

What I’m trying to say is that it is an addiction like any other and should be treated as such, not glorified.

[infecto]

Yes we understood your idea the first time around. And you still miss the point. It might not be for you but many individuals genuinely love their work. Either because they founded it, like the area of work, the people, or some combination.

It’s ok to not enjoy it yourself. Different strokes for different folks.

I don’t think it should be culturally championed but I don’t see it as an immediate red flag especially in the case of a bleeding edge company like OpenAI.

[Xenoamorphous]

And I think you might be the one missing the point, because you keep saying it’s ok for them because they love it.

Surely all addicts love the thing they’re addicted to, but that doesn’t make it ok, even in the case where their addiction doesn’t ruin their lives short or mid term.

[infecto]

We understand. You don’t agree with it. Thank you for sharing.