[mi3law]

I think my point is different than what you're breaking down here.

The only way that OpenAI was able to sell MS and others on the 100x capped non-profit and other BS was because of the AGI/superintelligence narraitive. Sam was that salesman. And Sam does seem to sincerely believe that AGI and superintelligence are realities on OpenAI's path, a perfect salesman.

But then... maybe that AGI conviction was oversold? To a level some would have interpreted as "less than candid," that's my claim.

Speaking as a technologist actually building AGI up from animal-levels following evolution (and as a result totally discounting superintelligence), I do think Sam's AGI claims veered on the edge of reality as lies.

[dragonwriter]

Both factions in this appear publicly to see AGI as imminent, and mishandling its imminence to be an existential threat; the dispute appears to be about what to do about that imminence. If they didn't both see it as imminent, the dispute would probably be less intense.

This has something of a character of a doctrinal dispute among true believers in a millennial cult

[mi3law]

I totally agree.

They must be under so much crazy pressure at OpenAI that it indeed is like a cult. I'm glad to see the snake finally eat iself. Hopefully that'll return some sanity to our field.