[hackinthebochs]

You can certainly use your imagination to picture a universe unlike anything we've come to understand about our universe. But in doing so you're still engaging with a rule-based system to some degree. "Ideas interacting in God's mind" is still sensible enough that you could communicate the notion to me using words. To be utterly free of rules is to be inconceivable, much less subject to communication. The only way we can begin to gesture towards a system without rules is by way of opposition to rule-based systems. But all of our cognitive tools are useless at getting a hold of the concept, because it by definition eschews penetration by cognitive tools. You may say denying the possibility of such a universe lacks imagination; I say it identifies the limits of imagination as such. The limits of imagination, the limits of conceivability, are the limits of cognitive access and sense-making.

I agree there are a lot of interesting debates going on. I just don't think philosophical consensus has much evidentiary value. Philosophy is the process of turning intuitions into concrete positions on philosophical subject matter. But no one's intuitions are better suited to me than my own. There's no substitute for just doing the work of understanding an idea and weighing the credence for oneself.

[esahione]

I mean that rules could be constantly changing in an ad-hoc manner, in such a way that to an external observer that is not the decision maker, the rules would be chaotic and completely senseless. Like the dream: there's no rule to grasp.

And I don't think it's that far off from our universe: we are likely something akin to a thought in a Mind. Anyways good chat - I think there's a big gap between our understanding of what is possible and what is, and how it can be given it is what we observe.