[radium3d]

Yeah, e-bikes are great for good weather and living within 5 miles of your office. Tesla's are great for the rest and they do have windows at least for those of us who have to commute. And at least the 132MPGe of a model 3 is better than a gas powered motorcycle.

[paddy_m]

Oulu Finland would challenge your perception about good weather riding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU

[radium3d]

Haha fun, hey I snowboard for entire days so I do know that snow clothing is fantastic now, so I believe it. But still doesn't solve for the distance problem in our area. A lot of people commute a very long way and not everyone can work 5, or even 20 miles from their home with cost of living so high sadly. EV cars are fantastic for them.

[uneekname]

Honest question, is an EV really less expensive than living closer to work for most people? I live in a city where rent is fairly high, and I'm fortunate enough to afford a comfortable apartment with a roommate. To buy an EV though (if I wanted one...), would be completely out of my budget.

If the math works out for some people, they should do what's best for them. But I don't really think that is the case most of the time. Living in a modest apartment and using your bike is almost always less expensive.

[mattlondon]

Are you serious? It's like hundreds of thousands more for every "zone" you get closer to the center of London. Surely in your city everyone would just live slap bang in the center if the price difference was less than that if an EV? Wow.

In London a basic 3 or 4 bed house on the outskirts will be perhaps £700-1,000,000. Same thing half way in will be £1.5-2mil, anything within a short walk or bike ride of any central office will be £3 or £4 million at least (assuming you can even find anything "normal" in terms of housing). An entry-level Tesla is £40k, and a "good" non-FAANG SWE salary might be £75-100k.

Sure you can get a smaller apartment in central London for less, but then the same apartment in central London will still be 3x 4x 5x the equivalent on the outskirts.

Either way there is no parking in central London anyway so driving to work is not viable.

[uneekname]

Well, alright so the cost of living in central London is astronomical. But as you say,

> there is no parking in central London anyway so driving to work is not viable.

By "closer to work", I didn't mean you need to buy the house closest to the center of London. I meant you can rent (or buy, if you have the capital) a flat near public transit, or bicycle-friendly infrastructure. Of course these options vary significantly, but even in my car-infested U.S. city there are decent options.

Also, I don't think it's honest to compare the sticker price of a car vs. a house. If you are in the market to buy a house, good for you. But my argument is more along these lines: put the monthly $$$ you would put into a car, into your rent instead. Get the best place you can, and you'll likely be happier than if you lived deep in a suburb. Of course not everyone will agree with this, but I don't think it's entirely unreasonable.

[rootusrootus]

Have you ever tried to rip up a family and move them to a new house as often as we switch employment?

Definitely put some thought into where you live, but it's always a compromise and for a lot of us it's unavoidable that it'll be 15-20 miles of commute.

[radium3d]

Depends on budget I'm sure, but the prices are lowering fast. You can buy a used 2020 Model 3 from Tesla.com for $28,700 with 34,219 miles, including a 10k + 1 year extended general warranty, and the 5 yr + 100k mile battery + motor warranty. New 2023 is $36,650 minus $7500 and minus state incentives, so $29150 or less before tax.

Another option, a 2019 eGolf is $17,000 with 120 mile range used with 36900 miles and still has some warranty remaining on battery + drive train.

I think those are comparable to gas alternatives. If you factor in gas savings, the monthly payment starts to work out for a ton of long commuters. Then, once you pay off the loan it's insane how much you save. I pay $116/mo for insurance and $350/yr on reg for my 2019 model 3 now that I've been driving for the last 4.5 years. If you have to charge at superchargers it's less savings, but if you can charge in a garage or at home it's about $30-40/mo to charge vs $160-200 /mo I was paying in gas.

Moving closer to the city can cost $500+/mo more than living farther outside the city for a similar sqft place. Plus you get cleaner air, quieter environment away from the main city. Some people don't like city living.

[Moldoteck]

Take Netherlands: look how bad weather they have, almost constant wind&rain and still ppl bike a lot. They also have trains for longer distance. Typically a dutch will have 2 bikes: bike from home to train station&leave it there, take train, take second bike from train destination to the work and reverse. It's about what you want to optimize: sprawl&car industry or the opposite

[bborud]

ebikes work in pretty much any kind of weather provided you have a proper bicycle, proper tyres and know how to dress. None of the gear has to be expensive. It just has to be suitable.