[barneygale]

You're leaning 100% into prescriptivism, taking the literal meaning of "It's Okay To be White". The vast majority of far-right slogans are innocuous on a surface reading. The most famous of all - the 14 words - are completely inoffensive if you ignore how they're used.

This is quite basic knowledge for how the far right operates, and so you're either deliberately concern trolling, or you're genuinely ignorant (in which case why are you so sure of your opinions?)

[SenAnder]

I see. So the phrases are not themselves racist, just through their association with the far-right. (Where exposing media hostility to extremely mild pro-white statements counts as racist and far-right)

So which mildly pro-white phrases aren't racist, then?

[barneygale]

> So the phrases are not themselves racist,

They /are/ racist. You can read about any of them on wikipedia, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

[SenAnder]

I think I understand. So if I pushed back on the notion that my identity is a "malignant, parasitic-like condition to which 'white' people have a particular susceptibility" [1], by e.g. stating it is merely "okay", that would be racist? I guess I'll just have to roll over without a fight then, since even the mildest resistance against these smears has been defined as far-right and racist, and I wouldn't want to be either.

Besides, I'm sure it'll stop here. When they see we're not resisting, they'll tone down the rhetoric until we all get along. Because that's what has been happening so far - as we get closer to equality, the rhetoric is becoming milder and milder, right?

[1] On Having Whiteness - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34039063/

[barneygale]

> So if I pushed back on the notion that my identity is a "malignant, parasitic-like condition to which 'white' people have a particular susceptibility" [1], by e.g. stating it is merely "okay", that would be racist?

If you push back on it /using far right slogans/ of course it's racist.

> When they see we're not resisting, they'll tone down the rhetoric until we all get along. Because that's what has been happening so far - as we get closer to equality, the rhetoric is becoming milder and milder, right?

The problems that you think you have - that you're not allowed to express yourself in terms of far right slogans - are fucking pathetic and you should be ashamed of yourself for pursuing them. You have been clearly been given a life of privilege, because people who experience poverty or racism don't pick such cringeworthy fights, divorced from the suffering and problems of the real world.

[dang]

Please don't use HN for ideological flamewar, no matter how wrong someone is or you feel they are. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[SenAnder]

I think we agree. As the experts tell us, whites have no legitimate issues to complain about, face negligible adversity, get lots of unfair advantages by virtue of their unearned privilege, at the expense of other groups, who suffer greatly due to the near-exclusive fault of whites.

So it is completely justified to interpret even their smallest act of self-defense as not defense, but a hateful attack. That is why being defensive, which one might otherwise argue is a natural, healthy reaction, is rightly pathologized in whites [1].

Thank you for educating me. I will strive to do better and avoid such far-right, hateful positions, like claiming my group is okay, should not be hated, or has a right to exist.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_defensiveness

[dang]

Please don't use HN for ideological flamewar, no matter how wrong someone is or you feel they are. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

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