[KennyBlanken]

This is progress but still drastically short of EU regs where livestock/poultry are subject to stricter vaccination requirements. For example, vaccination for salmonella.

In the US, poultry industry and federal/state governments have spent endless effort "programming" people to think that it's their responsibility if they get sick because the meat or eggs they purchased were contaminated and they didn't take enough preventative steps (like cooking it to the point of it being nearly inedible.)

Most US poultry is rinsed in chlorinated water, eggs are washed as well (which ends up destroying the egg's natural coating, so they have to be refrigerated) and so on.

[jimbob45]

Is cross contamination just not a thing in Europe then?

[danielheath]

If you vaccinate the entire flock, none of them end up with salmonella.

Not washing the eggs means the outside might have some chicken crap on it, but A) you wash that off before breaking the egg, and B) you're cooking anything the eggshells come into contact with.

[lettergram]

People in the US also think they need to refrigerate eggs.

I personally want zero medicine, chemicals or vaccines in my food. It’s frankly gross.

Further, it is your fault if you eat bad meat. We have a responsibility for our own bodies and what we put in them. The fact people can sue is why they wash with bleach.

[macNchz]

> People in the US also think they need to refrigerate eggs.

Eggs in the US are washed (by law) before sale, which removes their natural protective coating, therefore requiring they be refrigerated. In other places eggs are sold unwashed and can be left out.

[lettergram]

Take a step back and think about what you just said...

"Washing them, removes the protective coating, requiring refrigeration"

Right, so why do they require refrigeration, if they are sanitized?

Further, if they're not sanitized, you can leave them out? What exactly is that protective coating and how does it somehow make the eggs less safe to sanitize them?

https://tellus.ars.usda.gov/stories/articles/how-we-store-ou...

US eggs are fine to leave out, they just lose some moisture. That's also true of the ones which are unwashed btw, but washed eggs degrade faster. Both unwashed and washed are better refrigerated.

[RoyalHenOil]

This study was focused on the US egg export market, so they were looking at moisture loss, which affects how "fresh" an egg looks and tastes, but they did not look at the rate that eggs go bad. Egg exporters don't sell rotten eggs -- that's the consumer's problem -- so that fell outside the scope of the study.

The theory is that sanitizing process makes the shell more permeable, which makes it easier for random bacteria in the environment to infect the egg; thus it risks going rotten faster. Refrigeration slows down the growth of these microbes, thus counteracting the increase in permability.

[macNchz]

As I understand it, washing reduces the presence of salmonella on the outside of the egg (which is less of a concern in Europe where vaccination against it is more common). It’s a tradeoff though, as it makes the egg more permeable and therefore susceptible to other spoilage microbes, since the eggs don’t stay in a sterile environment after being washed.

[ClumsyPilot]

> it is your fault if you eat bad meat

I could take a piece of meat way past ita expiration date, bleach it in hydrogen peroxide, and sell it to you as fresh, and you would never know.

Thats what food industry does. https://active-oxygens.evonik.com/en/markets/food-and-bevera...

[Broken_Hippo]

People in the US also think they need to refrigerate eggs

Only folks that care about food safety. Refrigeration is sometimes cultural: Folks in Norway usually refrigerate eggs, even though they look unwashed, but eggs sit on a shelf at stores in Sweden.

I personally want zero medicine, chemicals or vaccines in my food. It’s frankly gross. So don't eat. Everything has chemicals. You probably don't want to eat sick animals (that's what medicine is for) and vaccines help make sure your food is safer - especially for salmonella. Or produce all of your own food. Good luck grinding wheat, canning and avoiding botulism, feeding animals (or farming even more), and not dying when food runs out.

Further, it is your fault if you eat bad meat. We have a responsibility for our own bodies and what we put in them. The fact people can sue is why they wash with bleach.

This is a horrible misunderstanding of what you have control over. You can handle all meat properly and still get sick: Unvaccinated chickens tend to have salmonella, for example, and it can make you sick. You simply can't see whether or not the spinach you are eating is contaminated by animal droppings either. You don't - and never will - have control over everything you put in your body.

They don't wash with bleach because people can sue: They wash with bleach because they aren't taking other measures to make sure your eggs are safer and because some cultures will reject food if it has little bits of poop and feathers on the shell.

[xii23]

>it is your fault if you eat bad meat

How would you know you're eating bad meat?

[lettergram]

lol ugh... leave your meat out for a day or two and circle back.

[kevin_thibedeau]

It may just be the starter for a new cured meat.

[_Algernon_]

If you only eat food without chemicals, you'll never eat again.