[bimguy]

"most men would rather die young than stop eating meat" Seriously, you're going to phrase it like that? How about this, I enjoy a balanced diet and if that is going to kill me young then so be it. If I was scared of dying I would be much more worried about the coat of plastic dust that lines the entire planet, including vegetables being grown and the grass/feed that animals eat, and the fact that I'm extremely likely to die of cancer due to plastics everywhere, metal particles everywhere, chemicals everywhere... if the meat doesn't get me first.

[artimaeis]

What if it wasn’t about you dying? What if it was to make the world better?

What amount of suffering in the world would cause you to even consider the option of eating less meat? Is it something you’re willing to contemplate? Not just animal suffering either. Think of the complicated web of problems that come out of people eating too much meat. The antibiotic use discussed in this thread. The methane byproduct discussed in countless others. The inhumane conditions of most butchers (for workers! Let’s forget the animals still).

It’s okay if none of that bothers you. We’re only human. I’m a former vegan, I’ve likely considered it all more than strictly necessary. I don’t think anyone _has_ to be anything. But for what it’s worth it _could_ be about more than an individual’s health.

[bimguy]

"What if it wasn’t about you dying? What if it was to make the world better?"

That would be a different discussion, with a different answer. I was only replying to the comment above mine.

Yes... animals produce waste & suffer from infections...

Inhumane conditions exist in the minority in every industry. You're claiming most butchers/abattoirs have inhumane conditions in an industry that I'm certain you've never worked in.

You're a former vegan but I see that you're still brain-washed by the material that you were hand fed.

[artimaeis]

It is not a different discussion. Here is the context of the line you quoted line I believe you were replying to.

   that would require people cut back on meat consumption

You chose to only quote the Would rather die part.

I’m simply asking you consider something beyond the meals you want to partake in.

You’re absolutely correct- I never have worked in that industry. My family has worked the chicken industry in Georgia and South Carolina. I’ve seen the result of that labor first-hand. If that brain washed me then so be it. That labor is inhumane. It is hardly the only inhumane labor that we rely on.

The thing is I believe you’re capable of seeing more than your comment lets on. I wasn’t hand-fed some propaganda and I don’t think you were either. It’s a weird world out here.